Had Temmin known exactly what he'd be doing on his night in the Temple, he would never have chosen to ride there and back. Issak had been very careful not to hurt him. Nevertheless, he was sore, and even keeping the stable horse at a gentle walk reminded him just how sore. At the same time, though, there was something satisfying about the reminder.
He made it to the stable yards, back to the Keep, up the stairs and into to his study, acknowledging the shyly cheerful bows and curtsies of staff along the way, before he finally let himself realize just how tired he still was. He gave Jenks a sleepy greeting, slumped down on the green velvet sofa and closed his eyes. He wasn't sure how long he'd been sitting there when he felt the sofa cushions bounce.
"Oh, do wake up," said his second sister's voice.
"Don't want to," said Temmin stubbornly. "I'm tired. Go away, Elly."
"Certainly not," she said, bouncing the cushions again. "Wake up, wake up, wake up!" No response. "I brought biscuits," she wheedled.
"Ugh!" he said, opening one bloodshot eye. "Biscuits? Well, all right, but please stop bouncing."
Ellika produced a little paper-wrapped packet of biscuits from a pocket somewhere in the depths of her skirts and popped them in his lap. "What is the matter with you? Surely you're not hung over, Temmy! That's not going to reflect well on you at the Temple."
"No, no, I'm not hung over," he said irritably. He woke up enough to open the packet of biscuits and paw through them. "Ooh, ginger. Thanks, Elly." He munched on one and tried to clear the fog from his brain. "I'm just tired," he said, swallowing. "I didn't get much sleep last night."
Ellika pulled a biscuit out of the packet. "You astonish me!" she said, raising her eyebrows. She delicately nibbled at the biscuit, blinking her brown eyes in mock surprise.
If I didn't know better, he thought absently, I'd swear she was flirting.
Flirting. Ellika was flirting with him.
He woke up the rest of the way, put the packet of biscuits on the table, and got up from the sofa abruptly. "What d'you want, Ellika?" he said, irritable again.
She started back and stared at him. "That's hardly the way to talk to your favorite sister."
"I don't play favorites, I love you both the same," he said, pacing.
Ellika studied him carefully for a moment. "What happened there?" she finally said. "You're not yourself."
Temmin pushed his fingers through his blond locks. "I really don't want to talk about it, especially not with you."
She nodded slowly. "First full day. They took you through the observation galleries, didn't they."
Temmin stopped his pacing and turned on her fiercely. "I said, I don't want to talk about it with you!"
She swept to her feet in a rustle of lilac silk. "If there's anyone in this family you can talk to about it, it's me, stupid boy," she snapped, "but not when you're in a mood like this. If your demeanor improves, you know where to find me." She snatched up the packet on the table. "No biscuits for you!" she said over her shoulder as she marched from the room.
Temmin started to call after her in apology, but it was too late; she'd slammed the door, twitching her skirts out of the way just in time. He raised his arms in exasperation and let them fall. He looked out the window; it was a beautiful spring day, not too warm. Perfect for riding--but for his seat. He scratched at his itchy chin, where the new hairs were prickling, and ginger biscuit crumbs rained down on the carpet from his mustache. "Jenks!" he yelled. "I'm starving!"
Jenks poked his head in from the bedchamber. "As it happens, your highness, your father has asked that I send you to him for tea. No wonder you're hungry, you've slept all day and have just enough time to change your clothes. Can't go to tea with the king in yesterday's slept-in clothes, I don't care if you are his son." Jenks harried him into the bedchamber and had him half undressed before he could say anything.
"I suppose you want to bother me too," said Temmin from the depths of the clean shirt he was pulling over his head. "Well, it was wonderful!" he said crankily.
"Don't care, not listening, your highness!" said Jenks, rummaging in the wardrobe for the right stock.
Once he was changed, Temmin slouched over to his father's apartments in the wing opposite and knocked on the door, in no better a mood. To his surprise, Affton the butler answered and escorted him through the sitting room into his father's private study, where the king was bent over his desk writing determinedly in a broad scrawl. "Ah!" he said upon sighting Temmin. "Good timing, son, good timing! Just finishing up." He sanded his letter, folded it, dripped Tremontine red sealing wax onto the fold and sealed it with his signet ring. "Now! Let's have a little something. What shall you have?"
"Ah," Temmin said. "Shall I pour, sir?" He crossed to the tea set out on the table by the empty hearth.
"Tea? No, no, good heavens, no. Sparkling wine, I have it iced right here." There was a discreet pop, and Temmin turned to discover Affton wrapping a napkin round a sturdy bottle. The butler poured out two flutes, returned the bottle to its ice bucket, and served the king and the prince before bowing slightly and leaving the room. "Tea. Temmin, you just spent the night at the Lovers' Temple, tea is hardly what's called for. Cheers." He clinked his flute against Temmin's and took a long sip. "Now!" said Harsin, sitting down in his favorite chair, "tell me the happenings. How was she? As good as I remember? I should hope so, it wasn't that long ago."
"I'm sorry, sir?" said Temmin blankly, perching on the edge of the tufted leather sofa. He picked up a slice of cheese and one of ham, rolled them together and took a bite.
"Allis Obby! Gods, there's a girl for you. Small but solid, that's how I like them. You too, apparently." Temmin put the roll of ham and cheese down, chewing slowly and swallowing. "Well?" said his father.
"Well what?" said Temmin. "I don't intend to discuss what happened in the Temple with you, sir, if that's what you're asking."
"Whyever not?" snorted his father. "I should think you'd be wanting to tell everyone what happened. I'd certainly brag about a conquest like that." Harsin took another long pull on his drink. "In point of fact, I have bragged about conquests like that."
"It's not much of a conquest when you're the king, is it!" said Temmin hotly, to his own surprise. "I mean--you're the king! Who's going to say no!"
"And you're the Heir," chuckled his father. "Wonderful positions for men to be in, don't you think? Now. Did she do that thing with her tongue? All the Beloveds know how, but she's especially good at it."
Temmin stood up. "I very much dislike this line of questioning, Father. I find it very distasteful," he said stiffly. "Almost as distasteful as discovering you were observing me in the Temple the last time I was there."
"Oh, Teacher told you, eh?" grinned Harsin. "Sit down, boy, how were you harmed?" Temmin reluctantly sat back down. "I couldn't resist the opportunity to revisit happy memories. Too bad the brother was there. And no, I didn't watch you yesterday. I had diplomatic talks all the day long, and last night I had my own entertainment to see to. So? Your first time? How was it?"
"Happy memories, Papa? What do you mean?"
"Oh, I've had some splendid times at the Temple over the years. When the Obbys became the Embodiments I sought an audience with Miss Obby at once. Haven't had time since. Wanted to see those lovely tits again, so I looked in on you the day you were presented at the Temple. Imagine my disappointment, the only one naked was you!" laughed Harsin.
"You've seen Allis naked?" said Temmin, his appetite vanishing.
"Seen her naked? Temmin, have you been listening? She granted me an audience her first week as Embodiment. I spent an afternoon between those thighs, and Nerr, that's a memory that will never leave me." Temmin felt his blood begin to boil. "So, the thing with the tongue? Yes?" said his father with a wink.
"Yes," said Temmin briskly. "The thing with the tongue. I believe I do know what you mean." He stood up. "Only I spent the night with Issak, not with Allis. He does the thing with the tongue quite well." Harsin looked up, nonplussed. "Please excuse me, Father, I'm not feeling well." He bowed politely and stalked from his father's apartments. When he got back to his rooms, he met the astonished Jenks with his stock in his hand. "Bring me something to eat," he said shortly. "I will have tea and dinner by myself. Will Fen be ready to spar with me tomorrow, d'you think?"
"Yes," said Jenks, taking the discarded stock and Temmin's coat as well. "One-handed, perhaps, it's only been two days since that injury. But I'm sure you'd get in a good workout if you're careful of his shoulder."
"See to it," he said. "I feel a great need to beat the shit out of someone."
Jenks looked troubled, but all he said was, "Yes, your highness."

Temmin did not join the family for dinner that night, nor breakfast the next day. Ellika didn't come and try to tease him out of his sulk as she usually would, and he was glad of it. He felt sulky and intended to stay that way. When Jenks told him all was ready in the training salon and that Fen awaited him, Temmin practically ran out the door, Jenks following behind at a more leisurely pace.
The training salon wasn't actually a salon per se; it was its own building, low-slung and spartan, where the guards trained. Outside the sparring room, he stripped down to his pants, removed his boots and socks, pulled on a pair of training trousers and stepped onto the padded floor.
Inside, Fen was throwing right-handed punches and kicks at a sparring bag hanging from the ceiling. His left shoulder was one big ugly bruise, but the purple was already fading to an even uglier brownish yellow around the edges. "Good morning, your highness!" he said cheerfully. "May I please thank you again--"
"No, you may not," said Temmin curtly.
"Take your stance," said Jenks to them both. Fen's pale eyes opened wide, but he composed his face, bowed, and took his stance on the mat, right foot leading. Temmin took his stance and almost immediately opened with a strong right front kick. Fen saw it coming, hopped to the side, flicked a foot up and took Temmin behind the knee. Temmin stumbled and caught his balance; the blow hurt, but the pain cleared his head. The two of them began to spar in earnest, Fen still favoring his left. They danced around each other, dodging kicks and punches and landing a few. Temmin made as if to jab with his right. Fen instinctively moved to protect his injured left side, and Temmin caught him with a sweep kick and knocked him off his feet. Fen dropped to the mat with an "oof," rolling to land on his right. Temmin moved in to land a few good kicks, but Fen rolled onto his back, lashing out with his feet to keep Temmin at a distance. Even so, a couple of kicks landed and Fen grunted in pain.
"All right, young sir, move it back," called Jenks. Temmin danced back.
Fen got up, shaking his head. "I can't, Mister Jenks. I'm sorry, your highness, my shoulder just hurts too much. I need to stop."
Temmin walked to the sparring bag and landed a few vicious blows. "Jenks, is there anyone else who can spar with me? I really--" punch-- "need--" punch-- "to hit somebody!" he roared.
"Then hit somebody, your highness," said Jenks calmly. Temmin turned and found his valet stripped to the waist, shoes and socks off, hands in his pockets. Temmin took in the older man; he was ancient, Temmin thought, but apart from the many tracings of scars, his body didn't show it. His arms were corded, his shoulders were broad, and his chest reminded Temmin of Jebby's. "Come on, then," Jenks said more loudly, taking his hands out of his pockets, "hit somebody!"
"I can't hit you!" said Temmin.
"And why not?"
"You're old enough to be my father!"
Jenks smiled grimly. "And there's your trouble, for I have no problem hitting you, young sir. But please, royalty first."
Best to get this over with, thought Temmin.
They took their stances. He feinted with his left, then threw a strong punch with his right. Jenks stepped to one side, moving so fast Temmin could hardly track him. He easily deflected the blow with his left, hooked a leg around Temmin's, and pushed him over with the flat of his right hand. Temmin hit the mat with a thud. "Again," said Jenks.
Temmin got up and came at him again with a flurry of kicks and punches that Jenks either sidestepped or blocked. Temmin thought he saw an opening in Jenks's guard and grappled with him. Jenks chuckled, picked him up and threw him bodily to the mat. "Again."
Temmin threw everything he had at Jenks, but every time he ended up flat on his back. The last time, Jenks had his foot on Temmin's throat, one arm twisted up behind his back in the valet's strong grip. "Tsk, young sir," he said, pressing down until Temmin wheezed, "you're grossly out of form, if you ever were in form. What did those fighting masters teach you?" He lifted his foot and helped Temmin up. Jenks had barely broken a sweat, while Temmin's hair was dripping. He handed his young charge a towel. "D'you feel better, your highness?"
"Yes," he huffed, "I think I do. Thank you."
That night, Temmin went down to dinner, subdued, but civil.
Comments
I can sympathize
I'd be in a foul mood after a meeting like that with either of my parents.
That and completely grossed out.
Nice job with the sparring scene! Good to know Jenks is still in top form.
Indeed
The sulk, I understand very well, and also the way you can be beaten out of one.
I enjoyed the fighting, because it was fairly believable (I definitely can remember sparring matches that were much the same for me). Still, I was a bit frustrated as I often am with written descriptions of combat. Even when they aren't totally unbelievable or flat (this one wasn't, which is good) they never seem all that precise. I can imagine about seventy different sparring matches that would fit the description given here, and am frustrated that I don't know which one actually happened. But there really doesn't seem to be anything you can do about it in writing.
How about
You try and write one? Since you probably know more about sparring than MeiLin does (no offense, Mei), it may turn out the way you want it to.
Never know. Give it a shot.
my training days are long over
I was a mo duk pai (branch of kung fu) student long, long ago. Sir knows something of fighting, so he and I blocked out a few of these moves in the living room as I was writing, and I watched some videos. But truthfully, it ain't my thang; I'm a lover, not a fighter.
This was as precise as I could get it.
Katie's right, write some down! Even if it's just "fighter x goes right, fighter y goes left and counters with an ax kick"--the blocking, as they say in the thee-ay-ter. If you send blocking notes to me, I'll give you x-points!
I think
I think(but I don't really know), that it would be hard to accurately and concisely convey a fight, and still keep it interesting. There would just be too much information. Maybe just pick your favorite?
Bravo again..
Excellent chapter! I too could relate with the desire to hit something after a conversation like that.. /shudder.
Iunno how to describe it.. the last few paragraphs of this one are just.. fresh? Clean? Really, just wonderful writing.. it's what keeps me coming back. Keep up the good work!
Also, the title made me giggle
Ugh
I'm not liking the king. But then, I hate the idea of discussing sex life with my parents. Which is odd, since my potential future mother-in-law knows waaaaaay more about our sex life than I'd ordinarily feel comfortable with... but it's in a "Oh dear, why don't you come over and I'll stay with my sister for the evening and you two can use your toys...."
I love the fight scene. You have no idea how much I really want to spar with someone, but no one ever takes me seriously because of my size... and the fact that I look like a five-year-old when I put my hair in pigtails and put on a sweatshirt doesn't help much either. Sigh. I tend to do the walk around the library and pull out random books when I'm upset. Doesn't work as sparring though. I like verbally beating people when I'm pissed though... they always tend to underestimate me. Silly people.
ANYWAY. I thoroughly enjoyed the chapter, thank you for sharing with us, and for inspiring me to take up writing again at a very opportune time (one of my finals was to write a fictional short story... I received an A and the comment "I'm trying to find a magazine to publish this, but with its strong historical background, it may be difficult." Needless to say, that put me over the moon, as I always thought my writing was crap. Then again, I haven't written in four years. Surely I've matured since age 17)!
Excellent!
Particularly following the Jenks' prequel story a few days ago. I love how you weave this story, Mei!
A real treat
Yay update.
I am so loving the way this story is going. Even getting to know the king better, even though I think no one would like to be in Temmins situation there. *shudder*
I have to say that every day with an update, is a day with a something to look forward to. A real treat.
As i am from Europe, updates come at odd times of day for me but, they're usually there in the morning as I wake up. What a way to start the day, or what? ;D
yay
thank you for more story progression! I don't come here for porn, i come for your intricately woven stories.
heh...
I read for the story.
I come for the porn.
If you know what I'm sayin'.
I don't know, while I
I don't know, while I certainly wouldn't want to have that conversation, I'm not all that weirded out by Harsin. He's a man's man for all he's king, and he's treating Temmin like another man before he treats him like a son. He said it himself that it's all about "bragging about a conquest." Not great if you're looking for a father, but not all that weird if you're thinking about him as a man-- and maybe an asset as king, since it allows him to relate to at least other men not as equals, but as men.
Blowing steam
I know I would need to blow off some steam after that talk. Temmin has a problem that he cares for both the twins as people, not like his father who sounds like he sees the lovers temple as a way to have sex with other people.
That was a good fight and if that doesn't make you feel better nothing will. A good chapter MeiLin.
I like the contemplative feeling
I like the contemplative feeling of this chapter and I can appreciate why Temmin doesn't want to discuss his feelings with his father or sister. But *I* want to know what he thought of it all other than that he has a sore tush. And I want to know what he thinks of his father's and sister's impertinent questions. And who is he going to confide in, eventually? Jencks?
-Manoki
I = Blown Away
Sorry Mei, it's been a while since I've commented. I've been blown away by each and every chapter. I don't blame Temmy for his mental state this chapter. My mother is very invasive in my sex life, and I always walk away from those conversations angry.
Your version of what has been called "porn" is very different from other writers' stories I read. It's very enjoyable. It's not just about the sex that is happening, it's about the emotions and the thoughts involved in that sex, especially for someone that is just doing these things for the first time.
I have to say though Mei, I believe I read somewhere that this story ends when the "story-within-the-story" ends. I do hope we get to see Temmin at the Temple a good bit more, growing and maturing through the temple.
Temmin, Issak and Allis
Increasingly I see their fates connected. The Temple will remain part of the story even when this story-in-story arc ends. The greater story continues on with the same characters, even though we leave Warin and Emmae behind in the past and meet a new set of Temmin's ancestors.
Thank you so much for enjoying the story.
Woo hoo! Jenks is hot in his
Woo hoo! Jenks is hot in his own right!
I mean, I figured that was true based on the bonus story and other hints, and that scene was classic, but still, to actually read about it was very satisfying. A good drubbing can certainly help one set one's head aright!
Thanks for more fine crafting. Allez!
Light and laughter,
SongCoyote
Point of View
As I read this chapter and the comments afterwards I kept thinking. One (tentative of course) conclusion I came to was that Temmin doesn't see his father as "dad" the way most of us do. I may have a unique viewpoint on this since I was adopted when I was a month old and haven't met my birth parents. But the parents I grew up knowing feel like mom and dad. If I met my birth parents I'm not sure if it would take more effort to view them as just another person but one who I'm predisposed to liking or like another mom and dad. If they behaved the way the king has been then I suspect it might be easier to do the former.
That said, I don't think I'd be too happy with the king's actions to date. If anything I'd be even more annoyed than Temmin is. Snooping isn't really the best way to start getting involved with someone you want to like and respect you.
Ew.
Gross, his dad's attitude was completely out of line. Unless you happen to be a sex therapist there's no reason to talk to your kids about their sex life, beyond "I hope you are using protection," or my favorite "do that in my house and you'll be living on the streets." I think the closest I ever got to that was when I was talking to my dad about going to see my boyfriend for a week and a half while he was in france. His only comment was "I'm assuming you'll be sleeping on the couch while you're over there."
"Uh, he doesn't have a couch."
"Then obviously he'll be the gentleman and sleep on the floor."
That's as much as I'd be comfortable sharing... and besides that, the King doesn't act like he sees the lovers as people at all. I think that would be particularly distressing for Temmin. (Plus, UGH, aren't Allis and Obby around Temmin's age? The age difference thing kind grosses me out when it's that extreme.)
Not so much
I've always been very open with my parents about sex. They never want details, or specifics, but my father's always been willing to give advice, and to let me confide in him if I need. We've even bragged to each other after a beer or two. It's a good way to let a father-son relationship take on an aspect of man-to-man, which was essential back when I was eighteen and thought I was done being "his son", and ready to be my own man. The King's flaw wasn't in being open about his own and his son's sex lives, which is perfectly acceptable with a son of that age, but in being insensitive to Temmin's own reaction. If Temmin was uncomfortable, the King should have let it slide. Other than that, there's no great fault here. Just different wavelengths, which happens when you're not raised together. The King meant no harm, I think, and in another two weeks when Temmin isn't so overwhelmed, this conversation might have gone very differently.
not the issue
I think the distaste on Temmin's part was not so much the talk of 'conquests', but the fact that his dad was almost disinterestedly talking about banging a girl Temmin's majorly crushing on. I think Temmin would be pissed about pretty much ANYONE talking about banging Allis so...causally? No...
Dangit, I can't think of the right word. Insensitive, at best.
the king's homophobia
and objectification of Allis were what made me squirm. I have talked openly about sex with my parents, but we weren't talking about sleeping with the same person (!) and we didn't discuss partners as the king did "Small but solid, that's how I like them...wanted to see those tits again."
-Manoki
thank you
that was EXACTLY the term I was looking for. Talking of Allis as if she's merely an object.
wait...
she's not?
so confused...
(kidding. promise.)
Hear, Hear
Been lurking for a while, but I had to chime in on this one. While I'd not be so out of sorts over a conversation like this, I do have to cheer at the means of blowing off steam. I've done three different martial arts, MMA, and I'm currently in Belegarth MCS, which is a full-contact medieval combat-type martial art, using foam-padded weapons and shields. In short, long live therapeutic fighting. I'm a big guy, though, and with as much training as I have, I can't always find someone who's willing to go a few rounds for the sake of my attitude. Once again, what I wouldn't do for my very own Jenks. Great chapter, Ms. Miranda, and I'll be waiting on the next one.
Yeargh, full-contact.
Ever since reading ToMu I've wanted into a mixed melee class (weapons weapons weapons!) and now you've rekindled that desire in me.
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What anyone wouldnt do for
What anyone wouldnt do for their own Jenks.. How indespencible would a RL Jenks be? Someone to help you take a step back, and look at any given situation.. and also be there to knock you around should you need to be.
Really, Jenks is one of my top three favourite characters, partly because of how much always seems to be beneath the surface. He always know what the right thing to say is, and of course, the right outfit for any occasion. 
I made him because I need him
Jenks isn't perfect, and we'll be seeing more of that in later years.
ruh-roh
I'm not entirely sure I like the sound of that... A little sinister, as it were.
Or maybe it's just my overactive imagination. Heh.
Harsin = Creepy
The "coersion adds spice" comment many chapters back told me pretty much everything I needed to know about the King. I tagged him as a user and this last conversation confirms it. Frankly, considering his position, it's not surprising that he turned out that way. As Temmin said, "...you're the king! Who's going to say no!"
I can actually understand a father-and-son brag-a-thon, even (especially?) if they've both slept with the same girl, BUT, only if they actually have a relationship, trust, and rapport. Harsin and Temmin hardly know each other, Harsin certainly doesn't understand what kind of man his son is/could become and is assuming Temmin is like him. I don't know what Temmin is assuming about his father, but it certainly wasn't that Dad would launch into sex-talk right off the bat. Temmin is getting a fast and brutal education about what kind of man his father is. Harsin's towering arrogance is going to be a barrier between him and Temmin, I think, because aside from a kind of "natural" arrogance arising from an amazing innocence about the world (didn't know hot water was a luxury) and frankly, naturally occuring to those who are raised as as a prince, Temmin isn't truly arrogant: overly convinced of his own superiority and importance.
Hopefully, he won't blow it out of proportion and hurt Allis and Issak by copping a 'tude next time they meet. It isn't Allis' fault that the King demanded an audience, that's kinda her job. I don't know that the ettiquette would be, but I know that Iif I were in Temmin's place I would be upset that Allis didn't say anything, even though she may be under no ethical obligation to divulge previous sexual relations with other supplicant's or petitioner's family members in the pursuit of her duties as an Embodiment. In fact, something like that may very well be considered to be like a sacrament a la the Catholic Church and be under the "seal of the confessional" so to speak, and she is NOT allowed to discuss it. Like I said, I don't know the sexual ethics/rules of the Lovers' Temple...and neither does Temmin, yet...we'll all learn more as the story unfolds.
Unfortunately, part of growing up is experiencing dissapointment, dissillusionment, and rude awakenings. Welcome to Life, Temmin. Our apologies.
Harsin isn't creepy, he's typical of men of his class
He sees anyone who isn't nobility--and high nobility at that--as inconsequential. Not exactly subhuman, but hardly worth bothering yourself about their humanity. Harsin was given the traditional education for upper class men; he spent most of his teen years at boarding school, coming back to the Keep for further education by the Teacher at 17. He's also very, very smart. He doesn't have a whole lot of people he can relate to on an intellectual level (Sedra and the Teacher are among the few), so he often goes for the groin level to find common ground.
Someone remarked that he's homophobic. He's not, he's just very, very het--like 0.001 on the Kinsey scale.
It would never occur to him that a son of his might be interested in other men that much; he just assumed that Allis would be Temmin's focus. And he doesn't truly understand the training aspects of a Supplicant's role. Had he made it to 16 a virgin (unlikely--Harsin is very driven sexually), his chase would not have been accepted. He doesn't have the empathic skills necessary.
Also? What happens in the Temple, stays in the Temple. Unless it's a training situation where the participants all know the events will be discussed and remarked upon (for instance, Temmin's adventures with Bessa and Anda), it's private and between the petitioner and the Lover or Beloved.
OK, I get that...
...and I find people of Harsin's elevated class...creepy. That level of entitlement, power, arrogance, and intellect unnerves me. That's my viceral response. Temmin is so unlike that, though, I'm perfectly "comfortable" with his character. Even though he's techincally in the same class. So I don't know what my damage is, I guess I just don't like Harsin!
oh, you're perfectly allowed not to like him
I made him, I have to like him on SOME level. I even like Hildin on some level.
Frank discussions
As a parent who has always had frank discussions about sex with three now-adult children, I think I'm qualified to voice an opinion from the "other generation".
I explained "the facts of life" as questions arose and never lied to any of them. As they grew older, I even offered to buy condoms for them if they were too embarrassed to buy them on their own. I even sold my own son condoms when I worked in a convenience store when he was 16. Better that than let him become HIV positive! The mistake Harsin made wasn't in discussing sex with Temmin at all. His mistake was in not letting Temmin dictate the level of detail.
My youngest son (now 18) and I have had *extremely* frank discussions about sex, but I have always been careful to let *him* set the level of disclosure he is comfortable with at the time, even when I had to bite my tongue almost bloody to maintain that level. As a result, I've been able to educate him regarding some of the kinkier things he is interested in so that he plays safely and others his age come to him for advice... and condoms.
The world needs more Parents like you...
...and Harsin could have benefitted from having a mentor like you.
I think the problem with Harsin's view of Temmin is that he never really got to know his son as a child, and also never cemented a view of him as a child. Harsin sees Temmin as a man, and some men will have discussions like that even if they don't know each other very well.
Harsin just misjudged the situation. Which doesn't speak very highly about his diplomatic skills.
Teacher
The way Teacher was talking about Temmin's consecutive days at the Temple as an obstacle to his education, I'm rather surprised that he didn't come in to see Temmin the day after.
Temmin's reaction to Allis next time they see each other should be interesting. Will he be able to look at her without seeing his father?
What fascinates me the most about this story (and ToMU) is the character development. The changes that occur due to their experiences are far more interesting, to me, than the sex itself.
I'm interested in seeing
I'm interested in seeing Temmin's reaction to Allis after this. I have a feeling, though, he might try to put some of the blame on her just because I can see him doing that.
But yeah, I think I vomited a little in my mouth when I read the part about Harsin dipping his pen into Temmin's wanted inkwell. That's Jerry Springer material right there. But at the same time I think Harsin expects Temmin to be just like him. Like father, like son since he is the only boy and the next in line. I would say he didn't know any better when he said that. Not necessarily his fault but he should have known better.
LoL
wooooooow............. that was funny with jenks and temmin!
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