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Chapter 25 | The Queen Who Ruled by Herself

The morning after Neya's Day at the Keep was quiet. The staff was sleepy and subdued, for while everyone who was eligible had been out the night before till all hours, work still waited for them in the morning.

Ellika and Sedra had not been out all night but instead had spent a quiet night playing cards. ("It's so unfair I have to stay home!" Ellika had huffed. "Do be quiet and deal," Sedra had replied.) This morning they were up early, breakfasting alone in the cheerful morning room.

"Where d'you suppose Mama is? She almost never sleeps in, not even after a Spectacle," said Ellika.

"Don't know, El," said Sedra absently from the inky depths of The Tremontine Spectator. "There's always a first time."

"No surprise Papa isn't here, he's always out late on Spectacle nights."

"Mmm."

"Oh, must you read at the breakfast table?" said Ellika irritably.

"Must you talk at the breakfast table?" Sedra replied, folding back a new page with a rustling flourish.

Ellika threw her napkin down and stood up. "I'm going to see what's the matter with Mama."

"You do that," said Sedra, groping blindly for the toast rack with one hand, only peering over the Spectator when her fingers ended up in the jam pot.

Ellika trotted up the stairs to her mother's suite and knocked on the door, but Lady Donnis turned her away. "Her highness is well but indisposed this morning, miss," said Donnis firmly. "I will tell her you inquired after her."

In actual fact, her highness wasn't in her rooms at all, and Donnis had no way of knowing whether she was well or not. Ansella herself didn't know, either. She lay staring up at the canopy over Harsin's bed, clutching the covers to her chin and wondering what had possessed her the night before.

She turned her head and looked over at Harsin, his face still slack in sleep. It had been many years since they'd shared a bed, but asleep he still looked the same as he had on their wedding night, she reflected--almost innocent, though she doubted Harsin had ever been innocent. He'd probably been born with those come-to-bed eyes and that knowing smile, and tried to seduce the midwife.

Perhaps, she thought, it would be wisest if she were not here when he woke up. It would spare them both a difficult conversation, for she was sure he would wake up wondering the same thing she was: How on earth they had ended up making this huge mistake. She carefully folded back the covers and began to slide out of bed, searching with her eyes for something to slip on long enough to get to her rooms.

Harsin's hand stopped her, his grip on her thigh firm but gentle. "And where do you think you're going, lady wife?"

She jumped. "Oh! I--I thought perhaps you'd sleep better were I to leave, my lord."

"Ansella, it's morning. I slept very well, and I've slept enough. Come here."

"Is that a request or a command, my lord?" she said stiffly.

Harsin removed his hand from her thigh in surprise. "It's a request. Please, Ansella, come back to bed. Just for a little while. Please." She slipped back under the covers cautiously, keeping herself well-covered. Harsin sighed impatiently and pulled her close, pillowing her head on his chest. "I'm only asking for a little closeness from my wife."

Ansella raised her head and looked into his eyes. "You will forgive me if this confuses me, my lord."

He stroked her messy blond hair away from her face. Such clear blue eyes. He hadn't looked into them in far too long, and he didn't entirely like his reflection in them. "Our children are grown. The eldest is getting married and the youngest is an adult now. Forgive me if this makes me melancholy and nostalgic for my youth."

She laughed slightly. "Harsin, you're hardly an old man, you're 41."

"Even so. I look into your face and I remember a different time."

Ansella stayed quiet for a moment, then said, "I shouldn't think you'd be nostalgic for that time. I know I'm not."

"You never think back on our early days?"

"Not," she said, turning onto her back to stare at the canopy again, "in the way that you seem to."

Harsin turned on his side, propping his head up with his hand. "When you think back on those days, what do you think of, then?"

She shifted her gaze to his face. "You really want to know," she said. He nodded. "Very well. I think about my having no choice in my life at all. I think about being forced to leave my home. I think about being forced to marry one man when I loved another." Her voice picked up speed and volume. "I think about being forced to share your bed. I think about being forced to bear three children. I think about--"

"Stop," he almost shouted, sitting up. He stared down at her, incredulous. "Ansella, you were allowed to do whatever you wanted!"

"Was I?" she retorted. "How very odd. What I wanted was to marry my brother's best friend. How did I end up here?"

Harsin waved his hand in irritation. "I meant after our marriage. D'you know how hard I had to work to convince my father that you should be allowed to raise the children at Whithorse once Temmy was born? Even though I myself thought it was a mistake?"

"That agreement was part of my bride price," she said, sitting up herself; in her agitation she let the sheet drop into her lap. "Once I produced an heir I could go home, and the children would come with me. You agreed!"

"Because Teacher said I should, that you were right!"

"Don't blame me because you listened to that black crow!"

"Ansella, he was on your side!"

She gaped in confusion and then continued, "Well--why do you care whether I went home?"

"Because I missed my children," he said angrily. "I missed my wife."

"You knew where we were."

"Oh, for the love of Pagg." Harsin rolled out of bed and pulled on a robe. "I had a kingdom to run."

"Your father only died ten years ago, and we moved back home long before then." She cast about for something to throw on, and finally found her chemise atop a heap of her hastily shed clothes on the floor.

"My obligations didn't start with his death, and you know it."

"Neither did your whoring!"

He whirled around. "Is that it? Jealousy?! Your part of the arrangement was not to care, if I recall correctly!"

"And I haven't!" she spat.

"Then why bring it up!"

"I don't know!" she shouted. "I don't know!" She breathed hard, tears springing to her eyes. "Why are you suddenly commanding my presence in your bed when you have a half-dozen hussies under this roof alone?"

"For one, I don't have a single mistress under this roof," he said hotly. "For another, my mistresses have never had any bearing on my regard for you--you are still my wife and the mother of my children. For a third, I didn't 'command' you, you were in my bed of your own free will!" He cocked his head. "Is that it, Ansella? A little morning-after remorse and now you're trying to convince yourself you had no choice but to come to my bed? Thinking of your girlfriend, perhaps?"

She turned white. "How dare you bring her up!"

"Ah, and so I've touched a nerve."

"Believe me when I tell you, you have, sir!"

"And believe me when I tell you I touched a lot more than a nerve last night, and you pleaded for more the entire time!"

Ansella drew herself up as regally as she could in a wrinkled chemise and wild hair. "This conversation is ended, your majesty."

Harsin crossed the room so quickly she squeaked in surprise as he swept her off her feet into his arms. "Only for now, my dear. We will continue it another time. And you will return to my bed. You won't be able to stay away now. The doors between our rooms are to remain unbarred, but I swear to you that you will be the one to cross that threshold first."

He let her go abruptly; she stumbled onto her feet and smoothed out her crumpled chemise as well as she could. "Your over-confidence has always been distasteful to me."

"And your constant prudery even in the face of your own desire is distasteful to me. Leave me now." Harsin turned his back on her.

Ansella stared at him, her mouth open. She decided she could have her clothes returned to her later, turned on her heel and stalked out the connecting door into the narrow private hallway connecting their bedchambers, surprising Donnis and two housemaids when she slammed through her own door. "Your highness--?" blinked the lady-in-waiting.

"Leave us. Go clean my sitting room or something, but do not leave my suite," she snapped to the maids, who dropped quick curtseys and hurried out of the bedchamber. As soon as they were gone, Ansella burst into tears and sank onto her bed.

"Ansella! Oh, dear cousin!" said Donnis, wrapping her arms around the queen and giving her the two handkerchiefs she carried in her pocket. "What happened?"

"I don't know!" she sobbed. "Something--came over me, and--and--and now--"

"Sssh," said Donnis, rocking her gently. "Oh, cos. Whatever it is, it'll be all right."

"Those maids--you must tell them--you must make them swear they did not see me come through that door!"

"Ansella, it's perfectly natural for you to visit your husband. I will make them swear no such thing. Doing that will lead to worse rumors than that you still love your husband."

Ansella's sobs redoubled. "I--have--NEVER--loved him!"

"So you've said, many times," said Donnis, offering a third handkerchief from the bedstand, "and just the rumor that you shouldn't let start."

"What am I going to do?"

"About what?"

"About Ibbit!" cried the queen. "I've betrayed her!"

"Cos, listen to yourself. You've just said you've betrayed your lover with your husband."

"She mustn't find out, she would leave me!"

"Oh, sweetheart. I don't think Ibbit would ever leave you." Not, thought Donnis bitterly, as long as you can help her become Eldest Sister, my poor cousin. "Is it so horrible to be called to your husband's bed, and on Neya's Day? Can't you just take the blessing and leave it at that?"

"Oh, Donnie!" Ansella sniffled as she brought her tears under control. "A blessing? A curse, more like it. Well." She dried her eyes. "I'm sorry to fall apart so. I'm so emotional lately. I'm sure this is a passing fancy. In a week, he'll be back to ignoring me completely. He must be between girls. I thought that Shelstone woman was still his paramour, but apparently not." She sighed and patted Donnis's arm. "Please have the serving maid draw me a bath, my dear. I promise I will stop this ridiculous mewling and not mention it again."

Ansella watched Donnis out the door, took a deep breath, and sat down at her vanity to brush the morning tangles from her hair. Can't you just take the blessing and leave it at that, she thought as she studied her face in the mirror. Not when she could still feel Harsin's hands on her, not when she could see the marks he left on her fair skin, marks she'd begged him to make, not when even now she was holding herself back from running through the door to his room and begging for more.

A blessing? A curse.

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Yeti's picture
Devotee

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Poor Ansella, I hope she lets this be good for her in the long run.

sarianna's picture
Devotee

sympathy from the dyke corner

No kidding. Oh, Ansella, just because you identify as a lover of women, doesn't mean you can't enjoy doing it with men.... sigh. I know she's fictional, but it's hard to watch a sister tearing herself apart for that.

"Loneliness is not a problem. Loneliness is nothing to be solved." -Pema Chödrön

V's picture
Embodiment

This raises some questions

and I apologize in advance if anyone's feelings are hurt--I'll do my level best to be open-minded and considerate.

I believe we should all be able to choose our own identity and orientation. I also believe it runs deeper than a simple act of will. I'm not at all convinced that Ansella is a lesbian--possibly not even very bi, although I'm sure she wants to be.

Consider: The first (greatest?) love of her life was male. She doesn't argue that. She's very bitter about the situation she was placed in, had all-but-coerced sex for years with a man she didn't choose, with three children from it, then fell into the clutches of someone who has exploited her sexually for political gain in the view of everyone except her. Now the husband she swears she doesn't love is renewing his efforts to be kind to her, to be a good husband, and she's terribly conflicted.

She WANTS to be a lesbian. Her history and reactions seem to place her as at least bi. How much of her relationship with Ibbit is genuine, and how much of it is because she represents a safe shelter from Harsin in many respects, coupled with Ibbit's manipulation?

I'm not a fan of arranged marriages, but I recognize that they've been part of society for substantial periods of history. Lacking the magic wand to change society, I would hope that the participants could respect each other and even learn to be happy together. Ansella is resisting that on many levels. Harsin was a bit more arrogant than I would have hoped, but it's clear that he's trying. Like him or not, I hope that he succeeds.

Oh, and I don't like Ibbit. I think she's a venomous little woman who doesn't care a bit for Ansella and I'm happy to see them separated.

Wow! Sarcasm! That's original!

fairnymph's picture
Embodiment

I agree fully with your

I agree fully with your excellent comments, and I find it interesting that Ansella - supposedly and demonstratively more empathetic than Harsin - seems so much less self-aware. Maybe the one emotional benefit of Harsin's selfishness and arrogance is that he CAN see himself somewhat clearly, even if he can't sympathize with others easily.

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sarianna's picture
Devotee

ID vs action

Oh, I really quite agree with your assessments of the characters. The only point I would pick at is that the disparity between identification and behavior that Ansella displays isn't necessarily a problem for someone of sound mind and reasonable self-confidence. Heck, I know plenty of lesbians (myself included) who have seriously considered marriage to men as a result of serious relationships with those men. But that doesn't make them any less self-identified as lesbians. The way I look at it, Ansella can identify however she feels is most comfortable for her. Whether she's being honest with herself about her attractions and behaviors, as well as her lovers' motives, is another story. I'd like to see her realize that Ibbit is an assclown, that Harsin might be manipulating her in a way that isn't harmful, and that it's okay to be attracted to different types of people. But right now it doesn't seem like she's quite ready to face those scary facts. I have a lot of empathy for her--been there, done that, d'ed tmfa and moved on with my life. I look at Ansella and see a member of my community going through the same shit I did, just in a different world and with a different cast of characters. (MeiLin is GOOD.)

A coworker of mine has a phrase that he uses with regard to particularly unpleasant clients, which comes to mind when I think of Ibbit. "Die in a church fire." If only. ;P

"Loneliness is not a problem. Loneliness is nothing to be solved." -Pema Chödrön

Simon's picture

But perhaps not just an issue of sexuality?

I had percieved it that Ansella had felt a strong attachment to Harsin in the past, and is now feeling a degree of renewal in that bond, she is at the same time very much aware that he cannot be trusted, and thus is born a conflict.
Her desire to be with her husband is one that she seeks to repress, and it has made her more easily manipulated by Ibbit. I think she's not a lesbian to begin with, just confused.
Thinking that she favours the goddess of the Hearth, here representing home(?), I believe she desires a happy marriage, surrounded by her children and adoring her husband. This ideal is something she knows cannot come to pass with Harsin being the lecherous type of man he is, and thus she hates the thought that she might hope for the more traditional home, since she knows it will inevitably lead to dissapointment and suffering.
A possible cause for this could be that it is some effect from the proximity of deities of lust and love?

I just don't think we need to attach all of Ansella's feelings to conflict over her sexuality, particularly as the society written here seems to commend bisexuality. My claim would be that she would be fine if it had been another man, but the fact that it is Harsin is what makes the evening so very devastating for her.

Watcher's picture

A blessing? A curse.

A line that describes the end of both chapters 24 and 25 perhaps?

Gudy's picture
Embodiment

Poor Ansella...

...torn between conflicting desires and a whole lot of hurt. It seems that Harsin managed to touch all kinds of nerves there.

Maybe it's just me, but I can't make heads or tails of the last part of this sentence. There seems to be a verb missing:

"So you've said, many times," said Donnis, offering a third handkerchief from the bedstand, "and just the rumor that you shouldn't let start."

sarianna's picture
Devotee

it seems okay to me.

I think it's that Ansella shouldn't say anything that would make untrustworthy people believe she doesn't love Harsin. Her cousin knowing that is one thing, but the maids telling the common people and the public finding out that there is no love in the royal bed is another.

"Loneliness is not a problem. Loneliness is nothing to be solved." -Pema Chödrön

V's picture
Embodiment

Clarify?

I got it the first time reading the chapter, but I did have to read it twice. Consider "and that's just the rumor that you shouldn't let start." I know it's a double "that's", but it reads more easily, for me. Or drop the 2nd "that", not the first.

Wow! Sarcasm! That's original!

fairnymph's picture
Embodiment

It's slightly awkwardly

It's slightly awkwardly phrased, but the meaning is clear to me -

'i have never loved him'

'so you've said, many, many times - and just the rumour that you shouldn't let start'

The dash or break here is what clarifies - the lack of love is 'just the rumour that you shouldn't let start' - so if you add in the implied 'of your lacking wifely love' between 'rumour' and 'that', it makes sense.

Still a bit clumsy, but not incorrect.

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MeiLin's picture
Most High

Hm

I blame Donnis.

Laughing out loud

fairnymph's picture
Embodiment

It seemed reasonable diction

It seemed reasonable diction from someone in her position, even if she is a Lady.

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fairnymph's picture
Embodiment

..his grip on her thigh firm but gentle...*fans self*

Harsin was channeling Rhett Butler here, me thinks. And I like it very, very much. He's brutal and tender all at once. And he's 41! Prime sexyage! I wonder how old Jenks is? I imagine him a bit older, like mid 40s?

To further reference GWTW, I wonder - if he had claimed to love her (which is not necessarily even true; or if he ever did love her the sentiment may have have faded) - would it have made a difference? Would a full, open declaration begin to mend these two's relationship?

I suppose it's a moot point because like Rhett and Scarlett, they both have too much deep-rooted pride and resentment.

I SO hope she gets pregnant. *baby fantasies*

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manoki's picture
Supplicant

pregnant?!?

Feh! She does not need another baby at this point in her life. (I'm speaking as a mother of three who is done Done DONE having babies). What would a pregnancy accomplish except proof that they slept together on Neya's day? And/or that she betrayed Ibbit? I suppose it would be good if you wanted to smack down Ibbit, but why do we resent Ibbit more than Harsin (who has done the same thing with his many lovers)?

fairnymph's picture
Embodiment

*shrugs*

I just LOVE when characters get pregnant. It's like my biggest literary kink. Self-projection, and not necessarily rational or for the best of the story.

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V's picture
Embodiment

Resenting Ibbit

manoki wrote:
...but why do we resent Ibbit more than Harsin (who has done the same thing with his many lovers)?
Exactly what 'thing' are we talking about, here? Cheating in the royal marriage? Manipulating a lover?

There are very few women, ever, who will have the chance to meet Harsin and get to know him as an actual person. He's a very busy head of state, and while there are certainly plenty of women who will try to catch his eye, I'm unconvinced that any will fall genuinely in love with him because he's just such a spiffy person (fairnymph, you don't count Eye-wink). They have their agendas--he has his. Fine. He'll accept it as a battle of wits, and treat it as such--directly. Twenna was the one dissembling--he never did. He treats it as pleasure, not love, and makes that clear.

Ibbit appears to be feigning love for political gain--I haven't seen any sign that she genuinely cares for Ansella. Ansella, however, does appear to truly love Ibbit and is not aware of the game being played.

I resent Ibbit for her duplicity and her willingness to play on Ansella's emotions and good intentions. If Harsin has done that, please point out where and how.

Wow! Sarcasm! That's original!

manoki's picture
Supplicant

the thing

the thing I am talking about is manipulating a lover for one's own ends. Harsin does this. He's more open about it than Ibbit, but he's certainly manipulative. He tells Twenna what she can and can't do, and what her husband can and can't do. Imagine what we would think if Ansella had a lover whom she "directed" in this way...? Is it okay for Harsin to do it because he's royalty? Because he's a man? Because he's handsome? Because he's open about it? He can afford to be open about it--he has all the power and resources. Ibbit doesn't.

V's picture
Embodiment

I'll give you that

But I still don't consider the circumstances equal, nor Ibbit's actions justified. That's a bit like saying "suicide bombers have every right to target civilians, women and children--the other guy has a standing army. They don't". Disparity in resources isn't an excuse. Harsin's open about his actions and genuinely seeks pleasure in his encounters; Ibbit is deceitful and from what we know, seeks only political advantage.

Harsin's comment to Temmin about coercion sometimes adding spice has me worried--if we get concrete examples of that, I'll castigate him for those. But with the exception of Ansella, where Harsin himself probably had as much choice as he gave Sedra, all his lovers knew the score going in, and all of them can walk away if they don't like the terms. Twenna's ambition may have led her into a compromising position, but that's not a reason for me to feel sorry for her. If it's her husband's ambition, then I feel sorry for her and blame her husband. If she's caught in the middle between Harsin and her husband, then I feel sorry for her and Harsin and hubby get equal blame--but it seems that she wanted this too, as long as she was the one doing the manipulating and profiting. If Nerr is stepping in to monkey with the whole system, then I'm upset MeiLin's on a light schedule Evil

So:
1. Innocence and honesty vs deceit and manipulation.
2. Honesty and manipulation vs (failed) deceit and manipulation

I have big issues with #1. However, I don't necessarily condemn manipulation when both sides know the score and are playing by the same rules, with the same tactics. All's fair in love and war, yes? It's okay for Harsin to do it because Twenna started it and he's open about it.

Wow! Sarcasm! That's original!

Simon's picture

I would also perhaps suggest

I would also perhaps suggest that there is a marked difference when considering the use of sex in their relationships.

Harsin uses manipulation in order to obtain sex.
Ibbit uses sex as an instrument to manipulate.

sarianna's picture
Devotee

yes!

Ohh, that was quite good. Brilliant, even.

"Loneliness is not a problem. Loneliness is nothing to be solved." -Pema Chödrön

Simon's picture

why thankyou. I suppose a

why thankyou. I suppose a Psych/Philosophy major is good for something after all...

Gudy's picture
Embodiment

Hmm, not really.

As far as I can see, the contrast is far less marked than you seem to make it out, or at least different: Harsin knows he's good in bed. And he uses his bed room skills to influence both Twenna ("no more sex with Elbig") and Ansella ("you will be back, of your own volition"). And I am not sure that Ibbit uses sex per se. Rather, Ibbit is sneakily, backhandedly, emotionally exploitative, while Harsin prefers more direct and straightforward instruments like sex, persuasion, bargains, or - if need be - force or threat of force.

V's picture
Embodiment

Ash:

** BOOM **
Good... Bad... I'm the guy with the gun.

Wow! Sarcasm! That's original!

Vandole's picture
Postulant

Poor Ansella

She needs to ditch sister Ibbit, that woman is up to no good. And here's hoping that she stops denying herself and does return to Harsin's bed soon.

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Capriox's picture
Embodiment

It's too bad Teacher can only

It's too bad Teacher can only get away with beating/snarking sense into the Heir. Both Harsin and Ansella could use a good reality check from someone who sees the bigger picture.

There's obviously the potential for a real relationship between them (attraction, common interests, shared past), but I can't see them getting anywhere unless they both are willing to ditch the other lovers. (Ansella may not be actively seeing Ibbit, but she obviously hasn't given up on her, much less seen and accepted the whole truth of Ibbit's motives. At least Twenna's designs are much more straightforward).

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Blue Coyote's picture
Devotee

Poor Ansella

I really feel for her, it's hard and very hard to be conflicted about something you want not being what you think you should want. She feels(and knows) that she hasn't much choice in her marraige. I highly suspect that her conflict is that she does love Harsin and that is the one thing that she promised herself that she wouldn't do. That they could force her body to complyu but never touch her soul. But he has, and she did at some point fall in love. Maybe because he turned out to be so fabulously skilled in bed that overwhelming pleasure broke down her defense. Maybe she feels the betrayl is not so much to her lover as it is to herself.
As to the lesbian/bi debate... that to me is a little more debatable. I see sexuality as being a lot more fluid that just three or four categories. I tend to think of it as being a bit like a pie-chart. Some people's chart is pretty solid-colored, some are like a pac-man with a lot of one and a piece of another, some have multiple slices.
We don't really know where Ansella falls, we have only recently been seeing her viewpoint. We also don't know if Ibbit is really using her or if that is just the impression everyone else has(and that is probably the same impression that everyone has of Twenna and the others.)

Shinjinarenai's picture
Postulant

I would just like to point out...

that the dialogue between Ellika and Sedra at the breakfast table was SPOT ON.
'
"Oh, must you read at the breakfast table?" said Ellika irritably.

"Must you talk at the breakfast table?" Sedra replied, folding back a new page with a rustling flourish.'

This was my younger sister and I getting ready for school in the morning, every morning, for years. She would prattle on, I would sip my coffee and nod my head absentmindedly and read and do everything but listen to her- and we had conversations exactly like that. Perfect, Mei!

"It would be all very well to take one's leap and trust to Providence; Providence was more especially on the side of clever people, and clever people were known by an indisposition to risk their bones." -Henry James

MeiLin's picture
Most High

thank you

That exchange made me giggle writing it, because I could see the room and the sisters so clearly. And I confess, more than once I have been Sedra with my fingers in the jam pot instead of on the fork I was reaching for. Smiling

NuanaIvy's picture
Devotee

Me too!

I'm always reaching for/into the wrong thing because I'm reading while trying to eat or walk. Very well-written chapter. Smiling

kawaiikune's picture
Embodiment

Best ever

Of the more recent chapters, this one is my favorite. I think aftermath is so much more interesting than actual events sometimes, and I love that we get to see how recent events are affecting people.

If Ansella does get pregnant, maybe it was her baby that Temmin saw in Allis/Neya's eyes. Unlikely, but possible.

I think I'm more uncomfortable with Harsin's manipulation because it seems like other people are aware of it, whereas Ibbit is taking advantage of Ansella in a way that Ansella won't acknowledge or doesn't understand. I don't feel bad for Twenna because she knows what she's getting herself into, her husband knows what he's getting into, and she and Harsin are trying to manipulate each other. Ansella is just looking for love and affection; it's not a game to her.

Gudy's picture
Embodiment

One un too many?

kawaiikune wrote:
I think I'm more uncomfortable with Harsin's manipulation because it seems like other people are aware of it, whereas Ibbit is taking advantage of Ansella in a way that Ansella won't acknowledge or doesn't understand. I don't feel bad for Twenna because she knows what she's getting herself into, her husband knows what he's getting into, and she and Harsin are trying to manipulate each other. Ansella is just looking for love and affection; it's not a game to her.

Did you perchance mean to write "comfortable" in the first sentence? The fact that Harsin and the Shelstones are each aware of the games of manipulation going on and that Harsin is rather open and honest about the whole thing while Ansella is unaware of Ibbit's ulterior motives, is what makes Ibbit's backhanded and emotionally exploitative manipulations far worse than Harsin's in my book.

As for Harsin vs. Ansella - I'm not sure I'd call what Harsin does manipulative as such. He grabbed a chance, put his skills to good use, read his wife correctly, and seems perfectly, arrogantly content to just sit back and let her stew in her own juices from that point on. He could, of course, NOT have had sex with Ansella on Neya's Day, knowing full well that she would regret it later, but why should he? They both wanted it, it's what Neya's Day is there for, and it is, in fact, a blessing from the Gods, even if Ansella doesn't quite feel like it right now. If anyone here is manipulative, it's Ansella, as she's trying to lie to herself about her feelings.

BCT's picture
Devotee

Ansella?

Ansella is battling her feelings, and possibly cognitive dissonance, but she's not lying to other people or tricking them or regarding others as her pawns. No, I'd say Ansella is a victim of others' manipulation: her parents', to a degree Harsin's, and Ibbit's.

- BCT

Gudy's picture
Embodiment

Ansella.

I meant that kind of tongue-in-cheek, though. The only person she's trying to manipulate or lie to, and with limited success I might add, is herself. She's definitely a victim: of her mother's abuse, of Ibbit's emotional exploitations, and to a lesser extent of Harsin's rather forceful way of dealing with her. She's also a victim of herself, her narrow-mindedness, and her lack of self-awareness.

Case in point: If there's anyone she needs to talk to right now to sort through her emotions, it's certainly not Ibbit but someone from the Lovers' Temple. I don't think she'd think of that in a million years, though, due to her prejudices.

Oddfish's picture
Devotee

Seconded. Lady's got issues,

Seconded. Lady's got issues, all of which can be boiled down to being so confused she doesn't know which way is up. The Lovers' Temple would be the prime choice to resolve that, what with the training to read desires and feelings. Maybe having two children committed to the Temple will nudge her in that direction? The Teacher could maybe put Temmin to use to get her there, since he's the puller of strings, but I suppose that would depend on whether or not Ansella needs to resolve her stuff in order for history to be made as planned.

kawaiikune's picture
Embodiment

lovers of women

I should think that if Ansella has anything in particular against the Lover's temple, it will be that it inspired her to return to Harsin's bed. After all, even lovers of women are still lovers, and the temple doesn't necessarily specify. In the rooms, Temmins saw women with women and men with men, as well as women with men. I see no reason why Ansella shouldn't feel welcome there if she understood that.

MeiLin's picture
Most High

she has a problem

with the whole thing.

kawaiikune's picture
Embodiment

oops

You caught me. I did mean to write comfortable in the first sentence. Thanks!

Nye's picture
Supplicant

Hmmm

Harsin does understand a lot about human nature... and it's nice to see that he does feel, and did want a wife... and does care for her and the children. He may not know what to do about it or how to show it, but he, too, listens to Teacher where weightier matters are

Ansella really shouldn't feel so bad, much as she might want to beat herself up. Maybe the gods played a little part in things, but her own desire is there. The jealousy tells. And Ibbit can go hang, as so many others seem to agree.

"A gift of the spirits is in equal parts a curse." -AK

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