Rejection, and unrelated Brother's Temple question

  • Posted on: 7 February 2009
  • By: MeiLin

Two things:

I got rejected today by Gryphonwood Press. Don't send them hate mail; it's okay. I was kinda hoping they'd say no. I'm liking how it's going with the self-publishing model. It sounds really egotistical to say so, but I really think I can go 1000 True Fans here, given time.

That very much relies on you guys. I know not all of you are going to be able or willing to throw me a buck or two from time to time. In fact, some very prominent members of this community haven't sent me a dime, but that's okay--I'm not complaining, honest. What it means is--you've heard this song before--you have to help me grow the community. And I'm doing my best to figure out how to grow it myself. I'm not so much with the marketing thing, and just as I don't fall into a comfortable box with the publishing world, I don't fall into a comfortable box with the marketing world, either.

If I can only rely on 5% of you, WHICH IS OKAY, I'm really not trying to guilt-trip, it means I need way more readers to make this viable; if 1000 = 5%, then 20,000 = 100%. I need 20,000 readers. I currently have about 1,000 readers. Yep, 50 of you support the serial, 21 of you on a subscription basis, with one of those 21 having given me a ridiculous sum of money that otherwise would mean we wouldn't meet the story target but once or so a month.

It also means i need to spend more time on t-shirts and swag and stuff to help bolster the effort. Which brings me to the second thing! Smile

I'm working on a Temple of Farr shirt right now, Farr stuff being the second most-requested stuff after Lovers' Temple stuff. I also think I'm going to rework or add to the Lovers' Temple line. So here's the question: Brother's Temple or Warrior's Temple? Which would you would-be acolytes of Farr prefer?

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Blue Coyote's picture

Devotee

I would say Brother's. It both sounds better and is more literal. Warrior's has the slight implication of acceptance of both genders and they don't accept female-born brothers the way the sisters will take male-born sisters (or if they do it hasn't been mentioned). Also they are soldiers not warriors. Warriors care more for personal honor, whereas soldiers are more in it for the group- the "band of brothers" type thing.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

...but it's grueling and a very difficult life. They do everything they can to dissuade would-be female Brothers. I will be writing about this later.

Blue Coyote's picture

Devotee

... can't wait. Gah, we must be scarily alike- I was just thinking "Oh I could ask for a story about a girl who wanted to join the Brothers" but everything I try to think of for a bonus-story is going to end up in the main story it seems. Part of why I don't always comment is I'm afraid of ruining the story- I have this knack of knowing what's going to happen (at least I'm never allowed to say anything in movies since I always spoil it for everyone else).

fairnymph's picture

Embodiment

It does sound better to me as well and is more literal, for the most part. It's also more unique/original to my ears than 'Warrior's Temple'.

NorthwoodsMan's picture

Embodiment

I don't know about where the rest of ya'll live, but in the upper midwest there is a chain of bar's called Brothers. Their colors are maroon and gold.

Then again, what are the colors of all of the temples?

Laureril's picture

Supplicant

If I ever manage to scrape together enough points for a story, that's probably going to be what I ask: do the temples have particular colors, and what significance do they have?

NorthwoodsMan's picture

Embodiment

That's not so much a points bonus story question as a general story question. How the temple was formed and decisions made, that would be a good bonus story question.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

Just post them in the Story Discussion section of the forum.

Laureril's picture

Supplicant

I'll just wander over in that direction then.

The Vixen's picture

Devotee

Yup. There's always a huge line outside too...

The Vixen's picture

Devotee

Warriors Temple.

That way if you're walking down the street, people don't randomly ask you what "Brother's" refers to.

Laureril's picture

Supplicant

That's kinda the point, isn't it?
Wearable referrals. Wewt!

The Vixen's picture

Devotee

Well people will still ask what the "Warrior's Temple" is, but I wouldn't wear something that made me sound like I was in a Frat (not that I have anything against frats).

Elle's picture

Petitioner

Also, I could alternate a "Warrior's Temple" shirt with my "It's Only A Flesh Wound" shirt for fencing. There's fewer loads of laundry to do that way Smile

Ely's picture

Petitioner

- is there really a t-shirt with "It's only a flesh wound" ?
- if yes, where can I get one ?

Smile

Vayshe's picture

Petitioner

ill vote warrior also...

on an unrelated note, id buy some harla's temple swag, if it ever gets that far, and was there something in the works about an expanded edition book 1 and 2 coming out soon? its no hurry, but an approximate price would be nice so i can put some money aside for it Wink

Clare-Dragonfly's picture

Supplicant

I was thinking the same thing. Harla stuff would rock. Specifically, I'm envisioning "Bloody One" T-shirt (or better yet, undies) to wear on the first day of my period...

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

:jawdrop: Fantastic! I love it.

You (bloody) kill me.

Capriox's picture

Embodiment

arrrrghh.... :dies:

That was so horrible, I'm giving you the point I got for posting my typographical groan. Blum 3
;-D

Andrea's picture

Supplicant

OMG, that would so make the blood and the cramps all worth it! I want those panties.

magalicious's picture

Postulant

would sell like hotcakes. I need a pair! I'm cramping like a biatch and they would make me smile while I'm running around at work.

Blue Coyote's picture

Devotee

And I woulda thought printed undies would be more of the purview of the lovers temple... but then I thought- "Lover's Temple "undies" probably means going commando".
LOL. She could do an entire set, like those 'day of the week panties' they used to sell.

Laureril's picture

Supplicant

Maybe a thong?

I would totally save up for days of the week IH undies - have a nice little 8-pack of the gods' days and then Harla's "The Bloody One"s for those days when we need an extra pair. xD

magalicious's picture

Postulant

Maybe we should take a poll (sort of boxers vs. briefs) if Mei ever decides to do this. 'What kind of panties do you prefer?' Wink

Laureril's picture

Supplicant

I'm not particularly partial to thongs and find them kinda uncomfortable. I wear what my boyfriend has unhappily dubbed 'granny-panties' for the most part. ie, plain white bikini cut. I do make an effort to avoid them when I'm with him, but sometimes laundry day has a different idea in mind.

magalicious's picture

Postulant

And seconded. Wink

amiciaN's picture

Petitioner

I detest thongs!! I have no ass, so I spent a fair part of my early life trying to keep my child-sized "granny panties" (and swimsuits) *out* of my butt-crack. Now they want me to purposefully put the back of my undies there?!? WTF?!? I think thongs are just the latest way to make women be uncomfortable for the sake of fashion.

Anyway, I would be very tempted to buy a pair (or three) of "The Bloody One" bikinis for those "special days", but if it's a thong, forget it!! For the rest of the month? Well um, never mind. Wink

Stormy's picture

Supplicant

I don't ever get the undies from cafepress cuz it's either thongs (yuck) or boxers, but they aren't the loose-legged comfy soft boxers. They are stiff (ha ha) and have the band around the legs that just makes them not work.

but boy shorts? those are cute and sexy w/ the little cheek they show Smile I'd totally go for day of the week temple undies (even if they were bikinis...but def not thongs!)

MeiLin's picture

Most High

and yes, there will be revised expanded books 1 and 2 (and 3, eventually). But to concentrate on the editing, I need time away from the story. This summer, when readership is traditionally kinda low (traditionally, she says--we haven't even come up on the first anniversary yet), I intend to take time off to edit. "Time off" being relative; I'll probably keep tossing out points stories, if only not to fall too far behind. My goal is a couple of points stories a week just to get through the backlog of guaranteed stories before the heat death of the universe.

Seth Gray's picture

Devotee

Alexandra Erin has the MUmeme, where people post a standardized blurb of text and then the entire first chapter of the story in their LJs. Maybe you could come up with something like that for people to post around, be it LJ, myspaceface, whatever. It might be worth thinking about, at any rate.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

...and haven't so far. I'm rewriting the opening of the serial and that may be "hooky" enough to bring people in on a meme.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

I would totally make you guys "Paggday, Ammaday, Farrday" panties, except Cafepress only does thongs. I'll look into Zazzle.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

Help me find a place that will print custom undies, you guys!

magalicious's picture

Postulant

the best I've found are boy shorts, but they have the right colors and gothic text. w00t.
http://www.customizedgirl.com/studio/00491.htm

Also, Mei, there are those of us that know how to screen print ....

Stormy's picture

Supplicant

I see I need to read the entire thread before I post. Tho at $10/pair (from mei's post below), a full set of temple undies would be prohibitively expensive. Maybe a panty of the month club. Smile

magalicious's picture

Postulant

Awesome idea, Stormy!
Seeing as a full set of Temple undies would be eighty dollars all together, perhaps this would be a way to lessen the wallet-pain. I would totally do it!

Stormy's picture

Supplicant

with the temples, either. It could move on to characters and quotes...

I totally need my first pair before our May burn to show off at the assless chaps party! Biggrin

Ely's picture

Petitioner

I want them too !
At the moment, I don't have friends around of the right variety = whom I'd dare tell about the History. Contextually-accurate panties would be just the thing to make my day(s) !

MeiLin's picture

Most High

I found a place that PODs bikini briefs and boyshorts! woohoo! Except...they'd be $10 apiece. Would that be an issue? :/

The Vixen's picture

Devotee

It's definitely something to save for, but I would love a pair of Tremontine days of the week undies.

Maybe even a pair of TGI Ammaday etc.

amiciaN's picture

Petitioner

But maybe not three pairs, at least not all at once Wink

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