Wiki TODO

The wiki still needs a lot of work. We certainly could use some more help in getting it into shape.

There's still stuff missing from the bonus stories and book two, chapters 43+. I hope to be able to catch up to the currently last chapter of book two by the end of the week and start working on the bonus stories next week.

There are almost 30 pages that aren't linked to from any other page, and I suspect that there might also be some cases of a handful of pages that only link among themselves without much or any connection to the rest of the wiki. I'd like to find those cliques and connect them properly.

There is less than a handful of wanted pages, and the only one I don't think I'll create in the next couple of days is the one on Ammahome. MeiLin, could you help us out with this one?

There are almost 40 uncategorized pages. Some of those don't need to be categorized, but most do.

Also, the categorization of the more than 200 pages already in the wiki could use an overhaul: The story-within-story categories for "Tale of Two Kingdoms" and "Queen Who Ruled by Herself" have only been used haphazardly and inconsistently. We also need a "Main Story" category to complement those two. Also, do we only put characters into those categories, or also things like place names, when they are only mentioned in the specific context of one of those stories?

The geography pages are badly in need of better categorization as well. I think categories for states/nations, provinces/duchies, and cities could be useful. Alternatively (or additionally?), categories for each nation or province might be useful too. What do I mean with this? Cordeneen is a city in Deneen, Sairland. So it would belong in the Cities category. It would also belong, together with Corharla Hill, into the category Deneen (because both are places in the duchy/province/whatever of Deneen) and Sairland (because they belong to Sairland).

Ideas? Suggestions? Criticisms? Volunteers?

Also, MeiLin, it seems like users lose the ability to edit their own posts after a while. I'd like to go in and keep this post up to date with the TODO list, though, if possible. Or should I just be recursive and create a page in the wiki for that?

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

It's exam season. My involvement will be haphazard, but I've tried to at least cure a couple of orphans.

Glaes is listed as a female character in the wiki. I had read Glaes as male. I just reread the two recent chapters where ze appears, and cannot find any indication of sex or gender for Glaes.

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

... is what she is called. Are there male Beloveds (like there are male Sisters), or are all male priest in the Lovers' Temple Lovers and the females Beloveds?

Also, Blum 3 @haphazard, but every little bit helps, thank you.

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

that may just be my inattention to title.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

That's how it goes. To serve as Lovers' Temple clergy, you essentially have to be bisexual, which is why not everyone clamors to serve there; if you can't stomach the thought of touching someone of a certain gender (either your own or the opposite), you're just not going to end up there.

If there is a question as to gender--someone is intersexed, for instance--you wouldn't be allowed to serve as clergy at the Lovers' Temple. You would have been sent to the Wise One's Temple as a child once you were weaned; the intersexed are considered Eddin's children, special and holy.

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

Update on the TODO: I'm caught up with book two, the number of uncategorized pages is down to less than 20, with almost half of those about booze or magic. Smile There is a Main Story category now, and I've started categorizing the characters according to Main Story/Two Kindoms/Queen Who Ruled. I'm still unsure whether to categorize stuff other than characters that way - book one doesn't seem to have any really special places and events in the wiki, and book two only has less than a handful (Agrin Fields, Marsury, Sleeping Youth, and perhaps Chalkhills).

MeiLin, can you confirm or deny my speculation that Ammahome is in the Far Isles and is the site of the main Temple of Amma?

MeiLin's picture

Most High

Well done, you. The Far Isles' name for themselves in the local language is "Amma's Footprints." The track of the islands is a bit like a set of vanishing footprints, and so the story goes that the Far Isles are where Amma first set foot on the earth.

I don't know if I'd call it Amma's main Temple, just her oldest and most sacred, rather like Corharla in Deneen.

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

Erhm, where were we? Oh, yes, the number of wanted pages is now officially down to 0 - all the remaining pages in that listings are artifacts from stuff like the wiki help pages.

ETA: I've copied the TODO list over to the AIHotGK talk page on the wiki, and the number of uncategorized pages is way down. I am also halfway through the bonus stories and again caught up with the story.

Further updates/discussion will be on the wiki, with only an occasional nudge in the forums.

greatmediocrity's picture

Devotee

Most wikis have an internal to-do list. I don't see any problem keeping it up to date there and just posting a nudge from time to time here.

Capriox's picture

Embodiment

I see that a lot of the orphaned pages currently are minor characters. Perhaps they could be listed in a section on other pages they are linked to - i.e. a "Temple Clergy" section on the Lovers' Temple page, a "Keep Staff" section on a page for the palace, etc.?

Also, another category that might be useful would be something like "Tremontine Society" for little bits of trivia about like in Tremont that currently have no home, like the newspapers, or Tremont's sexual mores, or the drink Wuisc. Although, come to think of it, there should probably be a whole category just dedicated to food in Tremont (and thanks to Britt, in Sairland)!

Is there a Talk page somewhere in the wiki for making these kinds of suggestions? I don't want to clutter up the story forums with wiki chatter, but I also don't want to go around making random and possibly major changes to the wiki without consulting someone else first. (This is my first time contributing to a project wiki, so I'm not sure of the etiquette. Don't want to step on any toes!)

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

Both the "Temple Clergy" (not just for the Lovers' Temple, I'd think) and the "Keep Staff" categories make sense to me.

I've been mulling around something like a Culture or Society Category for a while - we could put the existing Religion and Publications categories underneath that as well as a new Food and Drink category. I wouldn't want to restrict it to Tremontine Society or Tremontine Food, though - we definitely need an article about pie, which - along with fish - is a Sairish staple dish.

I'm leaning towards the AIHotGK Talk page as a catch-all wiki TODO List/Suggestion discussion place. It currently contains just one question from me that directly ties into the whole Culture category thing.

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

I'd name it just "Clergy."

MeiLin's picture

Most High

Seriously. This is such a huge help to me. I consult the wiki all the time to jog my memory on certain details; it's much faster than digging through the nearly 250k words I've accumulated so far. (!)

Capriox's picture

Embodiment

Not to mention the challenge of vaguely recalling that the bit of trivia you want is buried somewhere in the *comments* on a post...!

MeiLin's picture

Most High

I try to keep track of that stuff myself but don't always succeed. Smile

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

It might be nice to have some info about members/frequent posters available--either as a profile on the view so-and-so page, or in wiki-space.

idunno.

Capriox's picture

Embodiment

People who register with the wiki automatically get a personal page - all, what, half dozen of us who've wandered over there? Wink

For forum/frequent commenter type of purposes, it'd almost have to be something on the main site, I'd think.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

What do you guys want to see on profiles?

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

it was a half-finished idea...

Could be anything from "relevant bits"
to
any number of specific sections.

Right now, the profiles seem (mostly) to be for your administrative convenience, though their publicly viewable. Thassall.

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

... related more or less to wiki duty, but maybe useful in other ways, too.

1. Is it possible to have the actual chapter titles in the TOC pages for the books (like this one for book three? So instead of "Chapter 17 | The Last Royal Mistress" we'd have something like "Chapter 17 | The Beloved Beholding Her Beauty in the Mirror"? That would occasionally make finding a specific passage in the text that much easier, especially in cases of common names where Google site search doesn't really narrow things down a lot.

2. Is there a way to list all the bonus stories in order of creation? They are full of juicy details, but coming back to wiki duty after a couple of months and trying to find the bonus stories that haven't yet made it into the wiki is a royal PITA, and the AIHotGK rss feed doesn't go back far enough.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

1) No. The titles are semi-auto-generated (the part after the | ) and adding the chapter title would make it too long for that field. At the bottom of any chapter, you'll see links to terms. The relevant ones you want is the name of whatever book you're working on. Each book has its own term listing, as well as the overall story (IHOTGK), and they go back to the very beginning. One page to look at: http://www.meilinmiranda.com/tagadelic

2) Not yet. I thought I'd tagged all the bonus stories, but apparently I haven't. I'll start tagging them from now on and go back and tag as many as I can over time.

ETA: Just remembered! The book outline has all the chapters and bonus stories in order.
First page of the outline--sub pages have all the chapters in order.
Bonus Stories, all in a row

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

... help, sadly. I think I can do better with Google site search than with the tagadelic page.

Tagging all the bonus stories as "Points Stories" would certainly help with that, since the taxonomy page listings seem to be in publication order. The Bonus Stories page does NOT help, since whatever order the stories are listed in there, it's not publication order (and an argument could be made that it should, in fact, be in-story time-line order for easier reading).

Some more digging reveals that the non-rss version of the AIHotGK rss feed here comes closest to what I need, so I'll use that for now.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

I'll see what I can do to help.

As for ordering the bonus stories, should I do it in publication order or in timeline order? It's not hard to move them around. Just tell me which is preferable. Right now I believe they're in alphabetical order.

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

... having the Bonus Stories page in timeline order AND tagging all bonus stories as "Points Stories" so they turn up on the corresponding taxonomy page, which already is in publication order. That way, we'd get reasonably easy access to both orderings. As long as I don't let too much time pass between bouts of wiki duty, though, the AIHotGK taxonomy page should work reasonably well for what I need, too.

BTW, could I ask you to go in and delete the "Flinthaven Island" page? It's the remnant of a typo that has since been corrected, except for that superfluous redirect page. The same goes for the "Elder Sister" page, which redirects to the proper title of "Eldest Sister". (The Embodiments →‎ Embodiment and Supplicants →‎ Supplicant redirects don't really strike me as necessary, either, but at least those have the grace of not actually being wrong...)

MeiLin's picture

Most High

I deleted Flinthaven Island and it deleted Finthaven Island along with it. :cuss: So I'm not touching Elder Sister!

As for the bonus stories, I will arrange them in storyline order and tag them as I have time. New stories will be tagged as they're written (today's is tagged).

kawaiikune's picture

Embodiment

If not, try the Wayback Machine at archive.org. Depending on how old it is, it might be in there.

Do you back up your stuff? It probably wouldn't be to hard to set up a RAID array or something and do automatic nightly backups.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

MLM is on our own server--we run literally dozens of websites. If we didn't back up and something happened, we'd have many, many pissed-off clients, let alone losing our own sites (and half our income).

As it happens, MediaWiki allows for restorations. I restored the page and am now officially leaving well enough alone. :O

kawaiikune's picture

Embodiment

I should have guessed Smile I didn't realize you had more than this on there.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

It's a pretty high-powered piece of iron we run.

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

... of fail. Sad

Yay for tagged bonus stories, though! Thanks, MeiLin!

MeiLin's picture

Most High

...are now organized in the book by storyline order. Tagging to commence later.

kawaiikune's picture

Embodiment

and potentially a place for requests, I'm going to put my request here. Can you increase the number of threads in the Active Forum Topics sidebar? I feel like we've been posting so rapidly (I almost accidentally misspelled that as "rabidly"), there are more than four or five forum topics that are active at once, and I find myself going back through the Newest First page to three or four pages ago to find a forum topic I've posted in in the last 24 hours. I think the most recent one I had to search for was the "Northeast US" page. Would it be difficult to increase the number of active forum topics listed in the side bar? Thanks!

NorthwoodsMan's picture

Embodiment

Yes, we are rapidly rabidly posting. Like a pack of straving dogs wanting to devour as much information about the story (and each other) as we can get.

Capriox's picture

Embodiment

Have you tried using the "track" link at the top of the page? It takes you to a page that list all recent activity, by thread with most recent post, and indicates the number of posts new since you last read that thread. It might be what you're looking for.

kawaiikune's picture

Embodiment

I'll have to use that the next time I'm looking for something. It just seemed like the Active Forum Topics sidebar was there so I wouldn't have to do that, and that it would be more useful if it were expanded. That's a great idea, though, and I'm going to do that now. Thanks!

MeiLin's picture

Most High

I can't increase the number of sidebar topics, so please use the tracker. It will also show you which threads have comments you haven't read yet.

kawaiikune's picture

Embodiment

that's a good point. Thanks!

Taslin's picture

Postulant

I looked at Jenks's character article just a minute ago to discover that his character art wasn't included! :jawdrop: For shame. Well, at least it's fixed now.

In any case, I'm still learning the basics of how to edit wikis, but once I figure things out I'd be happy to help out a bit. Smile If you guys don't mind having someone relatively noobish around, that is.

Capriox's picture

Embodiment

I was a wiki noob too, but that didn't stop me! THe severe lack of free time since Feb has, though...

Edit away! And remember to always preview your changes before you hit save Wink

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

... remember to hit Save after the preview. Wink

And yes, the wiki can always use people with free time on their hands and a willingness to help out.

Taslin's picture

Postulant

Linking edits to others, and a new registered editor. Biggrin A page about Scholars (priests of Eddin) and the new cameo character Bren have been created. Bren has also been added to the Character and Keep Staff categories, and as an entry on the list of known people from Barle.

kawaiikune's picture

Embodiment

Good work, and thanks! Smile

Taslin's picture

Postulant

...is now officially on her page. Dance 4 Because it was way too awesome not to add.

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