On Writing Full-time

Adventures in Self-Publishing

I write full-time. I'm lucky that we have a first income, and that my other project gives us a nice secondary income. This is my tertiary income, but I treat it like a full-time job, and then some. I'm lucky if I can keep it below 60 hours a week, but then, I'm an obsessive person by nature.

There's a thread piracy elsewhere here about Alexandra Erin, which is fine; I want people to talk about other stuff they read here. But someone hit a sore spot with me.

The one thing that pisses me off when people comment about AE is the attitude that because she's getting paid to write she should be putting out readable stuff every day, like taking a dump or something. What AE does in terms of pumping out chapters is nothing short of amazing.

This is NOT the same as folding t-shirts at the Gap. At all.

This is my fulltime job too, more or less (though I have children and a partner to contend with and I don't think she does--well, I know she doesn't have kids). Do you expect me to pump out chapters of the History like that? If so, you've got the wrong lady.

Frankly, I question AE's decision to run so many serials at once and update so frequently, but that's her lookout, not mine. I cannot and will not do it; it's amazing to me that I manage to get two chapters and a points story out most weeks, and in semi-readable condition--and I'm still going back to rewrite. But that's because I choose to.

Just because someone makes writing her full-time job doesn't mean she should be able to pump out quality fiction every single day. Most full-time writers get out 1-5k words a day, depending on the writer and the day, but will all of that be readable? No. Not hardly. Maybe NONE of it will be readable.

Like her work or don't like it; I leave that to the readers to decide. But "how hard can it be?" Seriously? Pretty fucking hard.

Posted on 06/29/2009 - 1:50pm

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Alexandra Erin's picture

This seems like the

This seems like the absolutely best possible place to mention that I'm going to be taking some time off in July. Would you be interested in providing a guest spot story on Tales of MU, like we were briefly discussing on Twitter?

MeiLin's picture
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oh ya hey

It'll give me an excuse to ignore my rewrites!

Alexandra Erin's picture

Thanks!

Awesome, thanks! It's for the week of July 13th. I put no limits on levels of SRSness or silliness.

Char's picture

Is it just that time of year?

Sometimes I wish I could just grab certain people by the ears and MAKE them understand, through sheer force of will, just how difficult it is to do this (writing and/or art) as a full-time gig. I'm still beginning to understand that myself, though. *sigh*

Really, nothing makes me more frustrated than the assumption that writers/artists can just churn out material like *that*. Yes, there are days it's easy and everything just flows, but there are days where I can't even BEAR to look at my computer, knowing that I'm supposed to be doing something and it just isn't *there*. I just want to grab the monitor and scream, "It's hurting me more than it hurts you! PLEASE BELIEVE ME!"

AE's schedule is INSANE. We're prepping to add a webcomic to our lineup at IS, and even that is making me worry a bit. (OK, a LOT.) I don't know how she does it, but my hat's off to her. ... And you. That's a heck of a schedule to keep up, especially since you're writing as you go.

raecchi's picture
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Get ahead?

I've always thought the lowest-stress to highest-quality method would be to have a couple weeks' stash of written material so that you would always have a buffer in case of illness, emergency, whatnot. I know at least a few webcomic artists do it with some success.

Despite pondering doing a serial, I've never seriously considered it because of the time commitment. I'm never terribly consistent with my writing, which would be a huge problem when trying to release things regularly.

GreenGlass's picture
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Yes. It is ridiculously

Yes. It is ridiculously hard.

I can't even imagine how hard being a full time writer, since the most consistent I've been able to get with writing has only been for journal type entries. Keeping up a daily routine takes a LOT of dedication and effort, and even more so when that habit is a complex creative endeavor. And yet you guys do it. May I say: Jawdropping!

I guess that's why I so highly value and admire regular updates. That I actually love the stories as well just makes it even more amazing. Amazing beyond expression, even. =) You guys give a priceless gift with every update. I hope you keep on writing, as long as there is still a story you want to tell, and you can enjoy the telling, even when writing regularly is a herculean task.

PRAISES TO THE FAITHFUL, WONDROUS ONLINE WRITERS! Onigiri is in Lurve!

viruslife's picture
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I must second this praise.

I must second this praise. Besides if there isn't always an update then I can get excited when I see it. I read another online story that has random updates maybe once every 2 months and I still check every week to see if its there. And I love AE every story has some slow points every now and then.

Virus

april.raines's picture
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claps and snaps

and other appropriate 'Oh, yeah you did!' props.

I don't write even vaguely full time, but I do try to write every day. Even that is hard. And to write, and then do a thorough edit before posting... *phew*! That's a lot more than it sounds like.

I think, like teaching, writing is something everyone can do - even if they do it abysmally - so everyone has an opinion. Good writing is hard work, but it's mental work so it's difficult to describe what you are doing.

And hey, keep up the good work, MeiLin.

'Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not.'
- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax

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Ely's picture
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Reaaaally ?

All these people who just *know* how easy it is ? They must be right - I mean, they're reading the stuff every day, the least the author can do is to provide for them...

I'm writing non-fiction for a living.
One day it comes out crisp and clear.
And then the next day I stare at my two diagrams all day.
And the next day I'm rewriting and rephrasing and restructuring a something and I find myself scribbling some music on my drafting pad. Or biographies of fictional characters. Or the diagram I needed the week before...

My brain, although trained at length to produce readable stuff, is not a machine - and every full-time writer knows that (even the ones like me, with cushy non-fiction jobs).

Yeah, they have found our secret: all of us, we're just being lazy. (*grmble*)

--
"The slow movement seems, somehow, to say much more."

Pikachu42's picture
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I must say that I'm...

very impressed with her ability to write so many serials at once. I tried writing all five of my books at once and suffered a creative break down. I couldn't write on ANY of them, even the ones I loved the most. I just started writing back, and I'm only doing one story at a time. I think she's AMAZING. Though I really wanna smack Amaranth in the head!

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butt butt butting in

oh my god, Amaranth! I seriously, very badly hated that chick at one point. I got better. I still dislike her mostly Smiling

*stray thought*

Marri's picture
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I know!

Send them over to something Bobby Crosby's written. He gets a lot of complaints on his comics because they update so rarely (monthly updates would be shocking in their frequency, if that gives you an idea) and his response is usually "Oh, I'm so sorry. Do you want a refund? Okay, there you go. All refunded. Now fuck off." Swear words aside, he's got a point Laughing out loud They're free, unless you choose otherwise, so complaining won't do you any good.

"The worst thing in life isn't to die. The worst thing is to have lived but have missed it."
I will try to be good.

Oddfish's picture
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Blargh.

If you're trying to make anyone more kindly disposed to anything, exposing them to Bobby Crosby is the worst possible thing to do. He treats his fans like that, and if he's in a mood the most well-meant compliment will get you a tongue-lashing about how he doesn't do it for you and your opinion is worthless and blah. Which is why I read his stuff for all of a week before leaving in disgust. Not that I don't see your point, but that I think he is a black hole into which all things good disappear.

Although it can be frustrating expressing opinions sometimes, because people are always there to say "go away if you don't think it's perfect." And for sure, stories belong to the authors, but readers should be able to say "I don't groove with this part of it" without getting mobbed or told to go away. Which hasn't happened here, this is just a tangent inspired by the subject. I wouldn't be caught dead saying "How hard can it be?" so there's that.

MeiLin's picture
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I would hope you guys never do that

--that is, shout down someone who doesn't like something here. I really don't like that.

nitebane21's picture

Clarifying my comments

I have the impression that Meilin's post is referencing me, which is fine. Assuming that's the case, I want to clarify my comments a bit because I don't think they came across the way they were intended.

My aunt has written children's books, my mom has been a lifelong librarian allowing me to meet/talk with all kinds of famous authors and I know a lot of web comics, some who do it as a job. In other words, I understand when it comes to creative things, you cant just plop down in front of pc with a cup of coffee and crank it out. You have "on" days and "off" days. Some artists I know will put out as much material that they can on "on" days and then break it up so they can stay a chapter/comic strip ahead. Maybe that doesn't work for everyone.

What bothers me the most is when readers get told, "If you donate money, I will write updates every [blank]" or "If you donate money, I'll give you X bonus stories/strips" and then it doesn't happen. It just seems a bit like false pretense to me. If that promise wasn't involved, I wouldn't care if the artist asked for money for different things every day, or updates happened randomly and sporadically.

I wanted to make sure others knew I'm not stupid enough to think writing a chapter is as much work as making a Big Mac. And it's quite possible that my opinion is wrong, unfair and/or too harsh, which I'm ok with. My job involves taking a lot of money from a lot of people and delivering an event worthy of their expectations, and if I don't deliver, I'm in some deep hot water so it's quite likely I impose too high a standard on others.

Anyways, that's my story and I'm sticking to it, and I apologize for offending.

MeiLin's picture
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please don't take the post personally

I realize that, as the site owner, what I say carries weight, and you're a newbie (get an icon, hon!); I put this over here so you would not feel jumped-on over there. You are a nice person with good sense, and I understand your argument.

It's just that I've heard it so, so often in reference to writers, especially online ones, in general and AE in particular, and not with a similar argument. It's a hot button. Apologies for the rant.

And yay for librarian moms! Grade

If I had to do it all over again, I think I'd get a degree in library science. Or pharmacy. Or Tahitian culture. Or...

Raigne's picture
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Hmm.

MeiLin's missed updates before, and I don't hold it against her at all. Granted she tries very hard not to if she can help it, often staying up til the wee hours of the morning (tweeting about it, which makes me want to smack her and tell her to get some sleep, damnit), and if she does it's because of something like an emergency hospital visit, but even if it wasn't that dire, I still wouldn't hold it against her.

Regardless of whether a story was promised, it was a donation. No one held a gun to the donor's head, and presumably they are donating to support the artist/author, not because they'll get something out of it. Regardless of all that, you never know what is going on in the artist/author's life to prevent them from delivering. I doubt they enjoy not being able to keep a promise.

When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

MeiLin's picture
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I HATE missing deadlines

I was in broadcast journalism a good chunk of my younger life, and there are few things worse.

That said, I'd better get my ass in gear on the points story...

Alexandra Erin's picture

I don't think I've ever

I don't think I've ever promised bonus stories for donations that I didn't come through on... when I used that model, I never subtracted the bonus story "price" from the total until the story was up, so if I got hammered on the weekend that was supposed to have a bonus story, the money wasn't "cashed" in until I wrote it, usually Monday or Tuesday.

Sometimes said hammering resulted in fewer regular stories on a week where a bonus story paid out, but as I always tried very hard to make it clear, the "bonus" part of bonus story was that it was something new and extra that wouldn't come out in the course of the main story. If there was no update on Friday, people didn't miss finding out what happens to Mackenzie and Steff.

I did make the mistake in December of overestimating my ability to stick to the schedule no matter what... and yea, the gods did verily smite me for my hubris, by piling on distractions I could not afford to ignore. Most of the readers I heard from who gave me money took the time to assure me that what they were paying me for was appreciation for what I'd already written and/or to support the continuation of the stories. I did a survey after that to find out what mattered the most to the people who were paying, and it confirmed that.

I did learn my lesson from that and since then any time I've taken the time to ask readers to step up and help me some more, I've framed it in those terms: show your appreciation for the story and help me keep it going. I've also separately made pledges to do a better job at sticking to the schedule, and part of that was adjusting my schedule to what it is now.

I'm still not hitting it 100%, but I've become very consistent at almost hitting it, and that tells me that I probably need to make another adjustment to it. I'm going to stick it out a few more weeks, though, so I can get a better feel for what exactly needs to go to achieve the best balance.

I'm sorry I can't figure out what works and then do it. I have to actually try it first. I don't have a pool of research to look at or a lab to test these things in before I do them. I am my own laboratory.

(There haven't been many bonus stories for a while, but that's in part because I've been using my "extra writing" time to develop and hone stories for submission elsewhere. I feel like my present readership is giving me as much support as can be expected of them, so the next step is to grow my audience by reaching out in other places.)

viruslife's picture
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To AE - You do the best you

To AE -

You do the best you can with three of your tales that I read as often as I can. I am never upset if they are not there, I am just really excited when they are the same with here. I never commit over at your site (you don't seem to have a community that is nice and supportive they way mei does) so I'm saying it here. You should always take care of yourself first and foremost as without you there is no story to read. (This goes for you too Mei!) The thing with having a relationship with the author, but at the same time being able to hide who we are with the internet, leads people to forget that we are all human and you are not a corporation. A donation to the arts is just that a donation there is not contract signed with it. Any kind of art takes time and that might mean you go past a deadline, but that shouldn't matter as you are still producing art. I would you hope that you go past a deadline to ensure the best story rather than just post shit for a deadline. As I have stated earlier I have a story that I love to read that only comes out maybe once every 2 to 3 months and I still check once a week and get all excited to see it. Anyway I hope that you continue to be blessed and not have to hold down a 9-5 job however you have to do it and still be happy.

~Virus

MalachiGuest's picture

I couldn't agree more with

I couldn't agree more with nitebane21. If someone, anyone, doesn't matter who they are or what they do, says "I will provide [service] on [schedule] if you provide [compensation]," people who provide [compensation] have a right to expect [service] to be provided on [schedule]. I personally think that Meilin and AE both provide an excellent product. I highly enjoy both the stories that these talented ladies write. However, I will not support monetarily someone that says "I will update on this schedule" and then doesn't, with no explanation. More power to people who do.

rog's picture
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I understand

where you're coming from, and there are people who can do more than others, and if someone says they can do so much in a given amount of time then they must owe up to that. For you I don't mind if you can't crank out what you are expected to do each week, you produce good work that is enjoyable and so it is worth the wait. I want to be a writer too, but I am having trouble writing at all so there is no possible way I can ever do a site like this.

Anywho, keep on trucking as they always say and don't burn out on us yet. Eye-wink

Blue Coyote's picture
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*bows down*

I simply bow down to you in all of your awesomeness. I have delusions of being a webnovelist or a webcomicer, but I can't make up my mind about which to do and I'm far far to pessimistic about my own skills, I'm slow, distractable, and only just now getting any kind of handle on my mental problems.
So I am just a loyal fan. I tell you when I love it. I tell you when I hate it. And I tell you to take breaks when you need and I'll still be here waiting. I can't afford to donate so I make fanarts and do my cheerleading routine. But I admire you and AE both, and all the artists who can do a comic everyday, or every week or any kind of consistant at all.

MeiLin's picture
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eh, I don't need bowing

(though you're very kind to do so!)

What matters most to me is that you guys keep reading, and that when you do give me feedback, it's honest. So keep doin' that. Smiling

V's picture
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Uhoh, now he's found a soapbox!

This is a touchy subject and there's a number of fine lines around what I see as fair ground--so I'll try not to step over them while still telling it like I see it. (V? Le gasp!)

I get that writers haven't traditionally had to maintain a consistent daily output of reader-ready material.

Maintaining a consistent output of final quality product, however, is NOT limited to folding t-shirts at the Gap or making Big Macs. Don't demean it like that. It's the standard for a *lot* of industries, probably most. This isn't just every service industries dealing directly with the consumer--most any supervisory or management position requires your best effort, all the time, or things screw up and people get angry. It doesn't matter if you're the foreman on the assembly line or CEO of Motorola (2008 pay over $100,000,000)...have a bad day and there are consequences. Working as an engineer I have a little more leeway to smooth out the peaks and valleys in my work product but I still interact with co-workers who are essentially my customers each and every day. I need a consistent, quality daily output, too.

Most readers don't take the time to consider this as the writer does...trying to change the historic pattern of "write when the muse strikes" + "go back and edit" into something more consistent that can be serialized. I'm sure that it's very hard, that it's a job, that slipups will happen, etc etc...but that isn't the point. Once goals are stated or donations are accepted, people view it as a commercial transaction and the writer's held to the same standards as any other producer of value..."What did I get for my $$?" Don't assume readers will care more about you as a person than "someone from whom I buy entertainment". It doesn't matter if for *them* it's free...they expect that people who work for a living work each and every day, and that "work" has a form that is more repetitive than jobs which operate primarily on creative processes like writing, painting, sculpture etc.

This isn't helped when you look at the way people traditionally receive writing they've purchased: books are sold only in completed form. Newspapers run stories *after* they've been drafted, refined, run past the editor, and then proofread. Understanding this new world of online serials is going to take time.

People's opinions *should* change. Others in the thread have done a good job explaining real, reasonable challenges that writers face.

That said, recognize people's opinions *will have to* change because the normal, reasonable paradigm for a reader first encountering web serials is "This is writing. I should get quality stuff as soon as my money's handed over" or "Writers who write for a living make quality stuff on a regular basis, just like I do in my own job".

I like the "any monies are purely goodwill and a donation for previous work--I hope you keep it up" paradigm. I admit I don't contribute well under it. I'd much rather stick with the established paradigm--pay for the product--and pay significantly higher rates for something tangible like an edited hard copy that DO reflect the niche where the author works, the enjoyment I get from the community, and the benefits of seeing the drafts on a regular schedule. I don't expect to pay $6.95 for the paperback because I understand the size of the audience, the lack of traditional publishing and retail outlets, and all that jazz. Just allow me to bulk-load my full contribution into the familiar "Money for product--right now" and we'll call it good. Smiling

I'm not much for the "If I receive $money I will write on $schedule" although I admit I'm going to strongly favor serials that do maintain a regular schedule. It's work, it's going to be hard, and the few who *can* meet that criteria will preferentially prosper. I think this is true for a lot of people.

This has gotten longer than I intended so I'll stop it here and hope that I left some useful nuggets without too much filler. V out.

Wow! Sarcasm! That's original!

venusinleathers's picture

V, will you marry me?

V, will you marry me?

Raigne's picture
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:o

I believe he's spoken for, but that's not the reason for my reply.

Ursula Vernon is awesome. That is all.

When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

venusinleathers's picture

I <3 Ursula Vernon!

I <3 Ursula Vernon! Especially her fruit, hehe.

Raigne's picture
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I actually

like her blog more than I like her art, but her art's pretty fantastic. I can't look at small furry animals anymore without immediately thinking, "Needs a fez."

When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

Raigne's picture
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And it would figure...

After making a comment about MeiLin double posting twice today, I accidentally do it. I don't know if that falls under Muphry's law or Murphy's law...

When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

V's picture
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So sorry

Raigne is correct--my gf Scrapper also posts here from time to time. But hey, stick around, make an intro post and otherwise make yourself at home Laughing out loud

Wow! Sarcasm! That's original!

venusinleathers's picture

Ah well, more's the pity for

Ah well, more's the pity for me ^_-

NorthwoodsMan's picture
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MW...

Ooo. Another midwesterner.

And don't forget to add yourself to the map.

PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals

A failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.

MeiLin's picture
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some thoughts

V wrote:
I get that writers haven't traditionally had to maintain a consistent daily output of reader-ready material.

I don't know how much of that is tradition and how much that is reality. Smiling Consistent daily output--absolutely! If you're going to do this full-time, you've got to have word output, at least 1k a day, preferably 2k. SOME kind of verbiage.

But reader-ready? Not so much. It's like building a house; you're not going to have a finished house in a day, or a finished cabinet. You're going to have part of a house, part of a cabinet. The difference between building a house and writing is that building a house you don't have to tear half the house down every once in a while and rebuild the fucking thing. (Can you tell I'm in rewrites? Laughing out loud)

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Maintaining a consistent output of final quality product, however, is NOT limited to folding t-shirts at the Gap or making Big Macs. Don't demean it like that.

All honest work has honor. I'm not one of those people who thinks that cerebral labor is more important than manual. not sayin' you're sayin', just sayin'.

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CEO of Motorola (2008 pay over $100,000,000)

I question whether the CEO of Motorola adds THAT much more value than the people in the trenches doing the actual work. I get that CEOs need to be compensated. I doubt they need to be compensated so much more than the rest of the company, whatever the company.

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...have a bad day and there are consequences.

Oh, it's true for writerfolk, too. So, so, so true. See the "tearing down half the house" comment.

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"write when the muse strikes"

That's the most common misconception about writing. If you're really writing, you don't wait for the muse. You do the fucking work, every single goddamn day, and if you're lucky the muse shows up. Or unlucky. That bitch can show up at the worst times.

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Once goals are stated or donations are accepted, people view it as a commercial transaction and the writer's held to the same standards as any other producer of value..."What did I get for my $$?" ... That said, recognize people's opinions *will have to* change because the normal, reasonable paradigm for a reader first encountering web serials is "This is writing. I should get quality stuff as soon as my money's handed over" or "Writers who write for a living make quality stuff on a regular basis, just like I do in my own job".

Is it the readers who have to change, or the model? AE seems to have moved away from the "pay me X and I'll give you Y at this time" model (quite frankly, I've been too busy meeting my own deadlines to spend much time over there--just saw it) and more toward the subscription model.

The VAST majority of the money I raise toward targets is subscription-based already, from $1 a month to $50 a month (in one lump sum last October). I rarely get stand-alone donations any more.

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I like the "any monies are purely goodwill and a donation for previous work--I hope you keep it up" paradigm. I admit I don't contribute well under it.

*cough* Eye-wink

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I'd much rather stick with the established paradigm--pay for the product--and pay significantly higher rates for something tangible like an edited hard copy that DO reflect the niche where the author works, the enjoyment I get from the community, and the benefits of seeing the drafts on a regular schedule. I don't expect to pay $6.95 for the paperback because I understand the size of the audience, the lack of traditional publishing and retail outlets, and all that jazz. Just allow me to bulk-load my full contribution into the familiar "Money for product--right now" and we'll call it good. Smiling

And here's the crux of it. I would have to trust that I could raise enough to keep me going on $50 book packages, for books that haven't even been finished yet. Granted, 20 of you believed in me enough to buy $1350 worth of pre-sales. I suppose I could offer a draft PDF package...? Because right now ad sales on both my properties are really, really slow and we could use the fundage. Hm.

V's picture
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More thoughts

It took a while--sorry, I lost my 'net for about a week >.<

MeiLin wrote:
V wrote:
I get that writers haven't traditionally had to maintain a consistent daily output of reader-ready material.
I don't know how much of that is tradition and how much that is reality. Smiling Consistent daily output--absolutely! If you're going to do this full-time, you've got to have word output, at least 1k a day, preferably 2k. SOME kind of verbiage.

But reader-ready? Not so much.

My key point was that many other people answer swiftly and unpleasantly to direct supervision if their output is not finished quality.
MeiLin wrote:
The difference between building a house and writing is that building a house you don't have to tear half the house down every once in a while and rebuild the fucking thing.
Exactly. You also don't get the opportunity to, or you'd be fired. Realizing that writers can and sometimes have to is key to understanding how they don't always meet daily schedules the same way.
MeiLin wrote:
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CEO of Motorola (2008 pay over $100,000,000)

I question whether the CEO of Motorola adds THAT much more value than the people in the trenches doing the actual work.
You and me both Laughing out loud
MeiLin wrote:
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...have a bad day and there are consequences.
Oh, it's true for writerfolk, too. So, so, so true. See the "tearing down half the house" comment.
No...I meant, have a bad day and someone in authority is yelling at you or firing you. Sir may fill this role to some degree, but a lot of people don't have the freedom that writers do, and that causes resentment. Some of that resentment boils up in comments or discussions like this one.
MeiLin wrote:
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"write when the muse strikes"
That's the most common misconception about writing. If you're really writing, you don't wait for the muse. You do the fucking work, every single goddamn day, and if you're lucky the muse shows up. Or unlucky. That bitch can show up at the worst times.
Yeah, I overstepped here, but I think it accurately describes the mentality from which the complainers approach: the grass is always greener and the other guy's a lazy bum. Even if I overstepped, writers have more leeway than some other occupations.
MeiLin wrote:
Is it the readers who have to change, or the model?
Yes. I think only one has to change to drastically cut down on the comments that tweaked you, but the default state of readers will be "not changed" without some education, which they may not care enough to learn.

Wow! Sarcasm! That's original!

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Not a native midwesterner,

Not a native midwesterner, but a transplant from New York. How I miss the east coast!

Cheez-It's picture

Muse with a Smile

We are forgetting part of the work that goes into the online Serial Novel:

The work it takes to create a community.

Online communities are funny. We can't see each other, or get "vibes" from one another, so the only connection we have to go on is the words that we share. Or pictures I suppose.

When I used to be active in LiveJournal a few years ago, the work of keeping up with other people's blogs, commenting, following threads, and making new friends to keep people reading my journal was as much work as writing the journal itself.

The other blogs that I read, because truthfully, I didn't read all my LJ-Friends' journals, were the ones that told daily events, had humour, or shared something "artistic." I skipped over the ones that had any trace of whining or complaining. I skipped over the ones that shared too much information without being asked. Lately, I haven't had much time to participate in ANY online community, so this is why I haven't, and probably won't join up here. I read when I have time, which isn't often.

One of the reasons that I don't have time lately is because I changed career paths a few years ago from a Store-Manager to a dual-career Artist-Teacher, which means pretty much that I was working three jobs for the last two years. We all scrape by as artists. It is hard work, and often pretty lonely.

As artists in this world we have a responsibility to ourselves to be conscious of the persona each of us presents. People aren't going to show my art, if I go in and say, "I really need a show because my rent is due, please give me a show!" They're going to say, "Oh, boy another hard-luck starving artist, let's find someone who isn't so desperate," unless my work is just that good, in which case, it still hurts my case to complain, because the work should speak for itself.

I'm not saying we have to be silent about our personal concerns, but we can't use those concerns to demand monetary support or attention, because it makes the audience resent us.

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I'm sorry, I think I'm missing your point

...at least about money. Yeah, maintaining the community here does take work, but it's my pleasure.

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As artists in this world we have a responsibility to ourselves to be conscious of the persona each of us presents. People aren't going to show my art, if I go in and say, "I really need a show because my rent is due, please give me a show!" They're going to say, "Oh, boy another hard-luck starving artist, let's find someone who isn't so desperate," unless my work is just that good, in which case, it still hurts my case to complain, because the work should speak for itself.

I'm not saying we have to be silent about our personal concerns, but we can't use those concerns to demand monetary support or attention, because it makes the audience resent us.

I would just like to know whether you think I am that complaining artist. If so, how can I ask my readership for support in a less complaining way? I try neither to complain nor to whine.

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