A Question about Teacher

I'm putting this in the story discussion forum because, well, it's about the story. Or rather, about Teacher. Feel free to move it if it needs to be moved.

I've wondered recently just how immortal is Teacher?

Is he Highlander immortal? Nothing can kill him, but lop off his noggin and he's pushing up daisies?

Is he Fountain of Youth immortal? He never ages, therefore can't die of old age?

Or is he just plain nothing you can do can stop this guy immortal?

Or is he some type of immortal that I'm overlooking?

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

... of 2 and 3 or possibly 4. He doesn't seem to have aged a whole lot over the last 990 years or so, but that's not all there is. The "nothing you can do can stop this guy" is probably literally true as well - he has all the magic of Tremont at his command. Always. He probably has some defensive enchantments in place at all times, too.

But more than that, I believe that Harla just plain wouldn't take him - he's immortal by the Gods' decree.

The_Disquieted_Pen's picture

A point of interest, Teacher no longer has "all" the magic of Tremont at his disposal. The stones from the battle where Illhovin lost his magic take some of his magic, as well as other, "permanent" fixtures throughout the land that the various Kings (and Queen) have had him do.

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

I believe that the power could still be re-taken from those places, it's just that it's currently dedicated.
It's reminiscent of
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Wren's picture

Petitioner

I'm actually reading that very book right now! don't worry, I'm not mad, you spoiled nothing Wink

thedisquietedpen's picture

Postulant

The enchantment or what-have-you would need to be broken though.

My initial point was only that so long as those things are kept up (the Marsury stones will not stand upon each other and whatnot), the magic is unavailable to Teacher.

Three Side Questions:

1. Do other places (such as Sairland) have "permanent" enchantments?

2. If so, must they be renewed upon the coronation of a new King?

3. Does keeping these enchantments "permanent" require any constant effort from Teacher, did he set them in such a way that they need not be thought of until he dispels them, or is it something I haven't thought of?

MeiLin's picture

Most High

1. In the known world? Not as such because...

2. Enchantments end with the death of the enchanter. The new king can choose to renew certain enchantments if he wishes, ie, his father's protected armor, any reinforcements to castle or defenses, etc. Not every king makes the same choices. Some kings/leaders have so little power it makes no sense to waste it on permanent enchantments, for instance the nations inside the Vakalele Confederacy. They save it for when they really need it, and that's usually in emergencies.

3. No. As long as Teacher is alive, the enchantments are in force unless they are specifically revoked.

thedisquietedpen's picture

Postulant

I asked three questions and got three, straight, no-nonsense answers!

MeiLin's picture

Most High

I give you a straightforward answer whenever I can! :whistle:

MeiLin's picture

Most High

is that the more territory they take the more magic is available for Teacher.

rog's picture

Petitioner

really? would suck if they got invaded then...

seia's picture

Devotee

And here I thought they were just greedy bastards...

Firesong's picture

Petitioner

Yeah, I don't understand that, and I wondered about it when the subject was brought up again in story. What exactly happened with the stones? Why do they continue to draw on Teacher's magic? (A chapter link would be helpful.)

MeiLin's picture

Most High

All about Marsury.

An enchantment takes up a chunk of magic until it's finished. A light wand, for instance, draws on a small amount of someone's power until it's returned to a fire or dispersed/released. The greater the enchantment, the more power it takes. Marsury is relatively minor compared to some other enchantments Teacher is required to maintain. The Royal Armor is an ongoing enchantment, and is also relatively minor. There are re-enforcements on the Keep and elsewhere that are not minor.

NorthwoodsMan's picture

Embodiment

MeiLin wrote:
There are re-enforcements on the Keep and elsewhere that are not minor.

I'm guessing that elsewhere involves Harisn? Could be why he doesn't need to worry about a double.

Do the elsewhere's get revealed at some point?

MeiLin's picture
thedisquietedpen's picture

Postulant

They don't come up...!

MeiLin's picture
kawaiikune's picture

Embodiment

with Gudy. I think Harla just wouldn't take him. I bet the gods are behind this one somehow. Keep in mind that he is so immortal he can't kill himself, or he would have by now. If lopping off his head would kill him, I'm sure he would have done it by now.

Raigne's picture

Embodiment

With the above two. There's a God link in there somewhere. I've even wondered if he's a demi-god, but it would make more sense that his immortality is some sort of punishment that he shares with Maeb, hence the longing to be with her but inability to do so, and the pain in having to relive it every time a new king takes the throne.

kawaiikune's picture

Embodiment

we should start going down the lists of the gods and their children, and see if he fits any of the half-breeds Wink

ETA: If this whole thing turns out to be some big Christ parallel, I'm going to be pissed.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

I promise.

Zandu Ink's picture

Embodiment

I don't think Nerr and Neya portray what Jesus meant by "love your neighbor".

Although, if they are, I might have to go back to church.

Katie's picture

Embodiment

rofl.

MsGamgee's picture

Embodiment

This statement has my full approval.

rog's picture

Petitioner

So would I if that were the case. Biggrin

Pedes's picture

Postulant

True Biggrin

applejax's picture

Supplicant

that if that's what Jesus had meant, then the Catholic church would be much less uptight about sex Blum 3

Zandu Ink's picture

Embodiment

If that's what Jesus had meant, then the Catholic church would be much less uptight about everything."

There, I fixed your post.

Raigne's picture

Embodiment

If that's what Jesus had meant, then various Christian institutions would be much less uptight about everything."

Ditto.

Zandu Ink's picture

Embodiment

I see what you did there.

Let me also start the angry responses by saying "Every ideology but mine is absolutely wrong!"

Also, before anyone gets upset, it was meant to be an ironic link back to the original comment.

Raigne's picture

Embodiment

is firmly, "I don't know and you don't either," you can't upset me by telling me I'm wrong.

"How do you know?"
"Because I do!"
"But how?"
"I have faith!"
"So do I. I have faith that you can't know for sure!"
"If you had faith, then you'd know for sure!"

Ad infinitum. Hooray for circular logic!

thedisquietedpen's picture

Postulant

absurdum. Your pick.

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

I don't see split personalities...no castor and pollux.

Shade's picture

Supplicant

Hmm . . . I've been wracking my brain, but can't think of any god/child of a god who is so passive and advisory.

ETA: Well, Ganesh is compassion, isn't he? Would that be a decent enough parallel? hmm . ..

Samaris's picture

Supplicant

...not really what I would call passive... He's not really advisory, either, he's more a remover of obstacles... People pray to him before they start something new, a journey, or a new school year, for example... But Ganesha is more child-like, after all, he is a child, just really wise, and a little sneaky. Smile

Raigne's picture

Embodiment

I was referring to a link between Teacher, Maeb and the gods of Meilin's world, not ours.

There's one very obviously between Teacher and the gods, since Temmin can discuss with him things which he may only speak of to the gods. I would bet this is also the case with Maeb. I didn't include Connin, because I got the feeling from one of the bonus stories that whatever is going on with Teacher and Maeb, Connin wasn't an intended consequence. I could be completely wrong, of course, but those are my thoughts on the topic.

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

Are we sure that Teacher is even at all human?
What if he's a magical construct?
-shrug-

Raigne's picture

Embodiment

I suppose he could be, but the fact that he's got his own needs and desires would seem to indicate otherwise.

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

sure--I'm just throwing out ideas.
For all we know, the soul is magically constructed and strapped (essentially) into a human shell.
Or, or, or...

Raigne's picture

Embodiment

Out of ideas already? xP

Suppose Maeb really is related to the myth of the two women, and Teacher's really just a creation she made to be able to chew the ear of the king and sleep under a roof without it collapsing on her head.

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

kawaiikune wrote:
ETA: If this whole thing turns out to be some big Christ parallel, I'm going to be pissed.

... the last Harry Potter book much, either. Blum 3

As for Teacher, I don't think a likely candidate demigod has been mentioned, yet. In fact, the only way I can see him tied into the Tremontine mythology as it is known to us at this point is via Ennia's Descent, and that's a strenuous enough link as it is. In fact, if Teacher/Maeb and that legend have anything to do with each other (and my gut feeling is that they do, at least on some level), it seems that the legend has been garbled almost beyond recognition.

NorthwoodsMan's picture

Embodiment

Quote:
Well, I didn't like... the last Harry Potter book much, either

For me, the last book brought me back, in the writing at least. I wasn't expecting much because it seemed that the last two were written to be movies. They had more of the feel of a book that had been written after the movie instead of a book that was made into a movie.

Pedes's picture

Postulant

"people are going to buy it anyway, so why should I bother too much? Also I'll publish an encyclopaedia later, so need to leave a lot of stuff out. The only thing that matters is the deadline."

Yes, i am sour D:

RandomScientist's picture

Petitioner

Heavy-handed Christ parallel made me think Matrix more than Potter. The first movie had such potential: humanity as a virus that logically should be reined in for the good of everything else. Then they tried to make sequels that just totally lost my interest. Blum 3

RandomScientist's picture

Petitioner

That comic did actually occur to me while writing the post. Biggrin I love xkcd.

Samaris's picture

Supplicant

...with the Matrix comment! Smile The first one was really good; the others really pushed it, even though there were some cool characters and scenes... For me, most fantasy movies start really nicely, but the sequels all are terrible! Except LoTR... And there, you had to watch all the movies completely forgetting about the book with the amount they left out and changed! Smile

Frog Princess's picture

Devotee

About the Matrix. Love the first movie, trying to pretend the sequels didn't happen.

Raigne's picture

Embodiment

after giving it a lot of thought, I don't think the two stories are related. As you say, if they are, the story's been through some serious changes. Also, I can't remember how you feel about grammar/vocabulary corrections, so forgive me if it bugs you when people do this, but I think you were looking for the word tenuous. I seem to remember that English isn't your first language though, right?

I've been away from the site too long, I think.

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

... in that a) English isn't my first language, b) I don't mind corrections at all, and c) 'tenuous' is usually the right word to use here. Except that point a) has relatively little to do with my choice of words. Blum 3

You see, the connotative flavour of having to work hard at stretching the supposed link between the people and the legend in order to fit the available evidence interfered at the output end of the thought process and overrode the original meaning - and hence wording - of the phrase, which didn't fit what I wanted to say quite as well.

Raigne's picture

Embodiment

in that context it makes sense, but it's certainly a very uncommon use for the word. And I'm glad my memory has survived my hiatus from the community. Blum 3

gjh42's picture

Sedra drew on when first entering Harla's temple... it seemed clear at the time that it could refer to Teacher and Maeb (punishment from the gods).

More specific information might want spoilering for those who haven't read that chapter yet...

Vandole's picture

Postulant

I've been spouting Epilectic Trees about Teacher since I started commenting.

He could be Ennia, but that would require that he get trapped in the geas somehow, perhaps of his/her own volition or coercion. Only women's magic and gods' magic can effect people, meaning (s)he did it herself, Maeb did it or a god did it (I'm thinking it's more likely he did it herself). We have no reason to believe that the legends were idiomatic when talking of Maeb's fate, although they differ, so I think Teacher, Maeb and Connin's continued invulnerability is due to the geas to the Tremontine royal family, which was probably the strongest magical force in the world at the time Temmin the Great united the clans. He could have entered into a deal with Temmin the Great of some sort. However, I recall that he mentioned that he and Maeb made the books together, so there would have to be motivation other than freeing Maeb for him to sign on with Tremont.

He could also be Temmin the Great or another royal from around that time - all signs point to his geas starting during Temmin The Great's reign, or shortly after his death. (He also refers to the gods telling him he'll have to wait a thousand years) It's possible that Teacher is actually the oldest member of the Tremont family - which would make sense, considering the Tremonts' magic returns to him when they die. That would make Connin his son by Maeb (we only know for sure Maeb is Connin's mother, Teacher has never claimed paternity that I'm aware of, other than acting fatherly). I bet If he were to sire a child now, they would command the magic. Note also that names are important in the royal family; every king or heir has an -in name, and the only two outside of the royal family that share this are Eddin, a god, and Connin, the Traveler Prince.

"... He is more his mother’s son than his father’s, even though his bloodline is so much closer to the first Temmin than any of his predecessors.”
“Good breeding,” smirked Connin, “rather like me.”

This could be Connin just saying that he's the son of the two most powerful magic users in the world, or he could be implying he himself is a Tremont (and one close Temmin the Great)

Or he could be something I haven't thought of yet, but I don't think he's a god, demi-god or embodiment, since the gods generally appear to be far and away better tricksters and more powerful magicians than any mortal, he implies that he wouldn't be immortal if Temmin released him, and a god would most likely punish a king for enslaving their embodiment.

Clare-Dragonfly's picture

Supplicant

He's no one's father, so that seems to rule him out as Connin's. (Unless he was lying to Temmin, but I doubt it.)

Vandole's picture

Postulant

For others' reference:
"I am no one's parent, body or spirit," said the Teacher sternly. "No, I don't mean myself. I mean Standfast Jenks." from Chapter 42, Tale of Two Kingdoms

Hmm. I had forgotten about that. Let's assume teacher is telling the truth, as honestly he has no reason to lie to Temmin or hide his family other than privacy. Connin may well be Temmin the Great's son by Maeb or another royal's, which I'm sure will make for an interesting story once Temmin becomes king.

Laureril's picture

Supplicant

Perhaps he's a bastard child from an earlier ruler? That could have gotten interesting. King of Tremont + Maeb. Hmm...

Shade's picture

Supplicant

I want to say no, because he and Maeb appear to be on fairly equal footing with each other. I think their dynamic would be more like Maeb and Connin, were that to be the case.

Laureril's picture

Supplicant

I was referring to Connin being the bastard son. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I'm sure Teacher is a horse of entirely a different color.

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

... that this is the case, i.e. Connin is the bastard son of Maeb and either Temmin the Great (just barely possible, time wise) or a very close relative of his, like perhaps Gethin I.

I'm not at all sure how Teacher figures into it all, except that the Gods are apparently heavily involved, and that the Tremontine kings are the only ones capable of releasing him from his geas and thereby ending his unwanted (at least by now) immortality.

Samaris's picture

Supplicant

It's just a feeling I get, but does anyone else think that there's an air of desperation now, about Teacher? Like Temmin is the only chance he has.... I know Temmin is beginning to fulfil some prophecies (which I would love to hear more of, by the way... Smile ), but Teacher has said he's waited for every Tremont king, only to be disappointed. And now, it's as though this is the only chance, or last chance, as if, if Temmin doesn't free him, he'll never be free... Maybe that's what Connin wants, for some reason? Sigh. So many questions...!

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

I'm not sure that Temmin's the last chance...
it may just be that chances take decades to set up.

Samaris's picture

Supplicant

Could be, but I just seem to get a 'do-or-die' kind of vibe from the whole thing... :?
Edit: I just realised that that should be a 'do-or-not die' vibe! Wink

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

... as that Teacher is thoroughly sick and tired of it all and wants it to end, I'd say. That he's been disappointed again and again, and that Temmin looks so very promising probably doesn't help at all.

Frog Princess's picture

Devotee

That the theory I suggested, of Teacher being Ennia, gained so many followers.

Raigne's picture

Embodiment

Possibly the first to post about it, but I started thinking about it as soon as the possible parallels became apparent.

kawaiikune's picture

Embodiment

like the idea that Teacher could be Ennia. It ties him too closely to Harla's temple, and I liked the idea that he was tied equally to all of them, or to none of them. I feel like in a world with so many temples, the king's advisor should be impartial, and dedicated to none.

Vandole's picture

Postulant

Maybe there's more to Ennia's journey left. She was already tied to Eddin, Harla and Venna (as a healer, women's magic possibly) so now all she needs is a gift/curse from Pagg, Amma and Farr (though you could interpret Mavierna's stoneform as Farr's contribution). By their powers combined, she is... CAPTAIN PLANET The Teacher!

Frog Princess's picture

Devotee

You left out the Lovers.

Pedes's picture

Postulant

I'd say if that were the case the Lovers would be pretty much with her, not against...?

Amy's picture

Supplicant

That Teacher is any of the gods. I have the feeling that he might have been a ordinary magician/teacher when a deity decided that he would serve their purpose. He may have been Maeb's lover or maybe her brother. When the gods decided that this particular kingdom & royal family were going to need babysitters for what ever reason. Now Teacher & Maeb want this to end & Connin doesn't. Just my feeling though.

Enid's picture

Devotee

so i've got my boyfriend reading now, and we were talking about teacher and who he is, came up with a couple theories, all of them are whole ridden, and all of them are...completely outrageous, but our theories were drunken, so i'm calling it excuseable.

1. temmin the great. which vandole advanced as a theory in far better words than i have. although the father to no one comment rules this out.

2. pagg. eh? eh? once again, father to no one comment rules this out, because pagg is THE father.

3. eddin. grey eyes. that's all i could come up with for that one lol.

Sook's picture

...at least until all his secrets come out (which is, if Mei-mei intends to kill him off, she will!)

I no longer have access to the CFD, so I'm formulating this hypothesis based on the wiki, the new chapters, and what Teacher has said about himself and the prophecies. This will go off into some crazy directions, so bear with me.

Hypothesis: Teacher and Maeb are both members of the "Three Mountains" (Tremont) clan which the kingdom comes from. They made a promise or a deal or some reckless thing whereupon they would be able to protect Temmin the Great and all his issue, forever and ever, in return for...I'm not sure what yet. As part of that geas, Tremont expanded, specifically to give Teacher more power, and so the little clan turns into a big kingdom. However, our Temmy presents an opportunity (through becoming the Liberator or the Magnificent, and allowing Nerr to get the Heir or not) to release Teacher and Maeb by effectively ending the GK as it currently exists. This has something to do with how Temmin I tied his wife to the bed with the marriage cord, how sex works in the world, and how magic is linked to land and sex. If (as he is, it seems) Temmin pledges the Lovers and becomes the slave-liberator, etc - then the commoners get more prosperity at the nobility and royalty's expense (as the scholars fear) and the magic that keeps the Royal Family on top gets redistributed or changed, a side effect of which is freeing Teacher and Maeb.

Teacher has said, by his own admission, that he holds all the men's magic of Tremont, while Maeb holds all the women's magic of the world (possibly.) We know that men's magic is keyed to land - and land gives power by the nature of conquest and inheritance (i.e. "male" things)

We know, conversely, that women's magic is keyed to living things, that Travelers go all over the world (though they have a special relationship with Tremont) and they can't sleep under roofs. That suggests (again) a complementary relationship between women's magic (non-national or transnational, living things, Maeb) and men's magic (national, non-living things, Teacher.)

Mei-mei said that Tremont went to war specifically to get more land to give Teacher more juice. Teacher holds Tremont's magic for the king and the royal house.

So what I'm thinking is, as a consequence of whatever deal or oath Teacher and Maeb made to each other/Temmin the Great/The Gods, as Tremont and Teacher's power in men's magic grew, so did Maeb's in female magic. It's gotten now to a point (helped along by certain events) where all men's magic is tied to the crown in each nation (absolute monarchy+epic magic) and all women's magic (not being tied to nation) is linked to Maeb, who's the eternal Traveller. And both Teacher and Maeb are not only tired of being alive, they're tired of the selfishness of the Kings of Tremont and their insistence on putting their power first. Connin, however, is kind of okay with living forever, because he's not put through the same misery (magical and otherwise) that Maeb and the Teacher are.

There're hella holes in this theory, I'm going to work it out more, but that's just where I am right now.

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

Is Connin's magic, such as we've seen, nationless, derived from Maeb, or something more interesting...

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

... a couple of holes into your theory before I present my own, keeping in mind that mine, like yours, is heavily based on stuff that is no longer canon.

Sook wrote:
As part of that geas, Tremont expanded, specifically to give Teacher more power, and so the little clan turns into a big kingdom.
That's just a consequence of (male) magic being tied to the land: Once you have enough of it to be actually useful you both want more and you also want to prevent your rivals from getting more (or at least more than you). Which means conquering them.

Sook wrote:
This has something to do with how Temmin I tied his wife to the bed with the marriage cord, how sex works in the world, and how magic is linked to land and sex.
I thought so, too, at first. But it looks like the whole bed-tying deal is kinda par for the course, and has been even before Temmin I. Although the way he treated his wife seems to have been particularly bad and might have something to do with this all.

Sook wrote:
Teacher has said, by his own admission, that he holds all the men's magic of Tremont
Yes, but that hasn't always been the case. In fact, it was only in 631 KY when that came to pass.

Sook wrote:
So what I'm thinking is, as a consequence of whatever deal or oath Teacher and Maeb made to each other/Temmin the Great/The Gods, as Tremont and Teacher's power in men's magic grew, so did Maeb's in female magic.
Wasn't it Warin who remarked that only one person could have cast the spell on Emmae? And that was wayyyyy before Teacher held all the magic of Tremont.

OK, so what do I think?

Let's start with the idea that Ennia's descent is a legend based on actual history and that it does, in fact, present a heavily garbled account of what went on between Mavierna=Maeb, Temmarkur=Temmin I and Ennia=Teacher. The obvious flaw with that idea is that Teacher presents as male and can do male magic, while Ennia was a woman. But the rules of male magic do not seem to apply to Teacher - the magic comes from the land held by the Kings of Tremont, not from the land held by Teacher. Teacher's magic isn't really Teacher's, and there are indications that Teacher's world is absolutely limited by the boundaries of Tremont, so it's more like Teacher is the vessel for, and bound to/by the magic of Tremont.

Plus points for that theory: Teacher's Eddin-like appearance (silver eyes, androgynous appearance) and his lack of an actual name; that neither Teacher nor MeiLin ever uses male pronouns when referring to that august personage (only the other characters in the story do); that their longevity and the geas preventing Teacher from talking to anybody except the King of Tremont about it are almost certainly an Act of the Gods, and so is the thing that's keeping Teacher and Maeb apart; that it would make Connin the son of Maeb and Temmin I, thus explaining both his magic and his name; that it would explain the Travelers' lack of under-the-roof-sleeping ability as part of the Gods' punishment for Maeb and those who'd come to her for whatever happened back then; and that it would explain the oddity of the Years of the King starting to count from Temmin's death as being the moment when all that important stuff went down.

So I think that Temmin I begat Connin on Maeb. Given that Temmin I was not a nice guy, rape is entirely possible, although it could have been "just" that Maeb (and Ennia) didn't want that particular union but had, by the social rules of the time, no say in this. A combination of both seems most likely to me. After which Maeb and Ennia killed Temmin in such a way as to arouse the anger of quite a few Gods. But not all - the Lovers seem to be the (only?) exception, for obvious reasons. For extra delicious irony points, I imagine that whatever they did involved violence (Farr), trickery (Eddin), death (Harla) and magic, and violated some precepts of housing/hospitality.

And hence their punishment: Ennia, who apparently was the worse offender, lost her identity and had to serve the blood line whose progenitor she hated in an eminently useful capacity, always separated from her lover, until a Tremontine King (and not some impressible young'un - it has to be the adult, crowned king), after hearing their story, would put forgiveness and love before power, coldness, expediency and possibly revenge, and release Teacher (and Maeb).

Maeb ended up with (or perhaps claimed as part of whatever they did) all female magic, which is quite the burden itself (noticing every birth and death has to be draining, especially if you know that a lot of it might have been prevented or improved if only all women had some magic), the no sleeping under roofs for you and yours deal, and eternal, painful separation from her lover. Oh, and watching her son be a magic-wielding, lecherous, not-all-that-nice guy who isn't all that happy for his fun to end quite yet.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

...is that all y'all remember that the CFD is NOT canon any longer, nor are most of the bonus stories. So things you think you know may not be so. Wink

ETA: And that includes Ennia's Journey.

Capriox's picture

Embodiment

Ah, boogers Wink

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

My memory is fuzzy. Is there still a Nino? Please don't kill me!

MeiLin's picture

Most High

There will always be a Nino. I haven't found a spot for him yet but I will. Biggrin

Whimbrel's picture

Petitioner

So things you think you know may not be so. Wink

"[T]here are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know."

So... there are unknown knowns now, too? *is confuzzled*

MeiLin's picture

Most High

If it's not in a final version or a story released since the final version of book one came out, it's not canon. It might be canon, but I won't tell you until all the books are out.

Whimbrel's picture

Petitioner

Well, since I don't know most of the pre-canon stuff, that leaves me less unknowable knowns to unknow! Or, er, something like that. Blum 3

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