map of the world?

Are any of you artists out there interested in trying to draw a map of Meilin's world? I know that Tremont south of Sairland and west of Ninjan Empire but I can't remember where Inchar and Corland and all the other places are.

BTW, Meilin, what is this world called? Does the whole thing have a name? And while we're at it, is there a separate astronomy and solar system or are they on a different version of our earth? You know, Narnia has its own constellations and it was flat. You've got some decisions to make, my friend. Wink

thedisquietedpen's picture

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Also, Narnia's constellations were really "people" dancing and singing in the skies...

Well, they were humanoid, at least.

Capriox's picture

Embodiment

I'm no artist, but I have sketched out a world map just for the sake of my own sanity. I have no idea of the shape of the continents or anything, but I did my best to get things at least in the right relational areas. I'd love to do up a version with MeiLin's approval to share with everyone, but I know she said she was working one already at one point.

One thing that I figured out that I don't think is at all obvious while trying to map the world: Sairland proper is actually located on a peninsula off the Nija continent. Also, Inchar is a separate continent to the south of the continent that Tremont is on. Corland is another one of those neighboring kingdoms (like Leutefloss) that got absorbed into the Greater Kingdom of Tremont at some point - it's tucked up in one of the northern corners of the Tremontine continent (I *think* the northwestern one without looking it up).

I'm sure MeiLin will correct me if I'm wrong here, but everything I found is there in the wiki. Some of it is just a lot more buried Wink

MeiLin's picture

Most High

Nija extends to the south but is more or less parallel to Tremont, to the east of the main Tremontine land mass. Directly south of Tremont is the continent of Inchar, which is made up of many small principalities.

Sir and I have sketched out the map many times and each time it just hasn't been right. I'll try to have another bash at it tonight.

LaurenF's picture

Petitioner

I'd be game for drawing a map too- I'm an illustration major so it would most likely look like an old map that Ponce de Leon might have had with him when he went exploring... end of the world and here be creatures unknown kind of things. If someone else wants to call dibs on it I am more than welcome to step aside. Or maybe we can have a map-drawing contest or something. It seems like Capriox did a lot more research than I have had the time to do haha

Davik's picture

Embodiment

perhaps a collaborative effort could be called for. Combine those who do a lot of the story research with those who have loads of artistic skill. Sadly I fall in neither of these categories Blum 3 Also, I don't know about everyone else, but as far as I'm concerned a map that included things like "here there be monsters" and other old school stuff would just rock.

LaurenF's picture

Petitioner

I think this map calls for tea-staining and burnt edges. I'll get my paper ready Smile

Davik's picture

Embodiment

Perfect. Just like the mental image I would never be able to put on paper Smile

LaurenF's picture

Petitioner

Meilin, if you could give us a rough sketch of general locations of the continents and main cities, I think our brains will be able to solidify the rest into some decent-looking maps... I'll even add sea monsters to mine if there's enough demand for them... Finals are almost over, wheeeee

gjh42's picture

I'd love to be in on map-drawing. Aside from drawing ability, I have a decent knowledge of plate tectonics and atmospheric circulation and other things that make real landmasses and climates work, which could be applied to the general arrangement of places for verisimilitude.
In case you hadn't guessed, my favorite part of D&D was creating the worlds for the campaigns Smile

MeiLin's picture

Most High

Holy cats! Email me. MeiLin @ this domain.

gjh42's picture

*blink*
E-mail sent. Hey, it's exciting to think I could be a part of this great work...

V's picture

Embodiment

She's made a few comments in the past about wanting someone who was into cartography...your specialty sounds even more applicable Biggrin The whole readership looks forward to your collaboration.

No pressure or anything Wink

gjh42's picture

Hello after a long absence,

A long time ago, there was a forum thread about a map of the world, and I mentioned being interested. We exchanged a couple of e-mails, I asked for some more specifics about the world, didn't hear back and got busy with other things in life.

Do you have a satisfactory map of the world of Tremont now? Are you still interested in assistance with this? Not that I'm sitting around twiddling my thumbs, but I would still be honored to be involved in realizing some part of this story/world.

I saw in the Kickstarter notes that you were looking for mapmakers, but have not seen a place to submit proposals...
I tried e-mailing, but the address I had must have been old.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

Check your email; I found your note. Smile

gjh42's picture

I'm happy to see the preview of the map for publication. It's very pretty, and should serve as a good base for fleshing out roads and other human/cultural artifacts and features in detail. The terrain is plausible; almost anything can happen to landmasses as they collide and shift over geologic time, so the result doesn't have to be immediately comprehensible.

There are some important questions that would affect the characteristics of the continent, though. I see a scale which indicates that the Kingdom is generally similar in size to the US, but no indication of where the equator is, or the tropics which indicate how far north/south the sun can be directly overhead, or how big the continent is relative to the diameter of the world.

The story indicates that Tremont has generally similar seasons to our (mid-latitudes northern hemisphere) world. If the world is similar in size and inclination to ours, Whithorse Estate would be about 800 miles north of Tremont City, so their climates would relate something like New England/upper Midwest to Southeast (say Carolinas). A continent of this size would have some variations in rainfall causing significant vegetation differences, too. I would expect there to be some desert or grassland areas, correlating in part to positions of mountain ranges.

Can we discuss this here, or would another venue be more appropriate?

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

gjh42 wrote:
I see a scale which indicates that the Kingdom is generally similar in size to the US, but no indication of where the equator is, or the tropics
... that we're getting into the tropics somewhere around - or slightly south of - Alzeh and that the equator is deep in Inchar.

gjh42 wrote:
If the world is similar in size and inclination to ours, Whithorse Estate would be about 800 miles north of Tremont City, so their climates would relate something like New England/upper Midwest to Southeast (say Carolinas).
Sounds about right, yes. During summer, everyone of means flees the oppressive heat in Tremont City and goes either up into the mountains or somewhere north thus ending Ball season, much to Ellika's dismay.

gjh42 wrote:
A continent of this size would have some variations in rainfall causing significant vegetation differences, too. I would expect there to be some desert or grassland areas, correlating in part to positions of mountain ranges.
Well, Whithorse is horse country, so I would assume lots of grassland there. I'm not sure how that chimes with the mountains encircling most of Whithorse, though. IIRC, Barle is heavily agricultural (the name derives from the Barley clan, after all) and might very well have been rich grassland before it got all civilized.
gjh42's picture

Tremont City climate is about what it should be. It would barely freeze in winter, especially being so close to the gulf. It might get some cold storms off the mountains just to the north, though.

Whithorse as the terrain shows now would be dry in the north as the Ulav Mountains which look pretty major would intercept much of the moist westerly wind, making the north slope and southern Corland very wet. The rest of Whithorse would be well-watered, too much for natural grassland. For the River Cobb to flow as it does, 1200 miles to the south instead of draining to the nearby western ocean, there would have to be a line of high land along the western border of Whithorse north of Baltha and Riverbend; this could also if high enough cause the westerlies to drop a bunch of their water and leave Whithorse dry enough to be grassland. I might think Whithorse is a plateau between mountains N/E and hills/scarp dropping off to the west. The Cobb has a huge watershed, so it would be a strong river. There would not be great slope for a lot of it, so it would meander and make rich Mississippi-type flood plains at least in some parts.

Barle to the east of the Ulav and Altennes mountains would have a relatively dry climate, though the north could be cold and moist. (I seem to recall that barley does better than wheat in cool moist climates?)

Litta would have long fierce winters, with the nearly landlocked sea to the north freezing over every winter. Its only safe year-round ports would be on the far eastern coast.

The river in Valmouth does not have nearly the length or watershed to be a major river. It would not be able to sustain a big delta as shown, but would end in a compact mouth or a meandering swamp depending on terrain.

Somewhere around the Gulf of Inchar or northern Inchar is the latitude that tends to be extreme desert, so that ought to be reflected in the map. This will depend somewhat on where the equator and tropic are drawn.

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

I would hazard the guess that the above assessment is predicated on a star comparable in intensity and distance to the Earth's sun, as well as a comparable axial tilt.

gjh42's picture

Yes, in the absence of strong evidence to the contrary, and with the daily/seasonal descriptions so far, it would have to be basically similar to Earth's situation. (of course, without a big moon like Earth's, there would be no real tides in the oceans, just weather effects.)
It would be really nice to know where the tropic and equator are, and how close the top of the map is to the pole.

I once set up a D&D world with a 40-hour day. It had very cold nights, and midday was too hot for much activity, so things happened mostly in the mornings or afternoons, with everybody taking siesta out of the heat.

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