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Bessa Vissek, Supplicant of the Lovers' Temple

  • Posted on: 24 June 2009
  • By: MeiLin

Here is Bessa in her chemise. I wish there were a way to show how tall she is. Bessa is aaround 5'9".

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TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

haha... "tall" at 5'9".

I had expected perhaps a little skinnier...but I like it alot.

NekoMegi's picture

Petitioner

Are you saying that's not tall? 'Cause to my 5'5", 5'9" is...well, tall.

Raigne's picture

Embodiment

To my 5'3" she's almost a giant.

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

from 6'3", a 5'9" is...meh.

Raigne's picture

Embodiment

We're talking about a 5'9" woman, not a man. Average height for a woman is about 5'6".

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

TB's mom=5'10+"

Raigne's picture

Embodiment

One of the more important women in your life is taller does not mean 5'9" doesn't qualify as tall. How narrow minded of you, TB Blum 3

ETA: Although I suppose I see why you think that. Not really a univeral definition for tall. Whereas I am universally accepted to be short. :x

TheBoy's picture

Embodiment

I think that a woman who's 6' tall is pretty much universally tall.

I spend much of my time Angel being tall, (b) around tall people (most recent rack of roommates are 5'10"+, all four of us), and otherwise (c) exposed to the tallness.

5'9" isn't "short," but it's close enough to my perception of "average" that I don't think of 5'9" as "tall."

Marri's picture

Supplicant

I'm 5'9". My mom is 6', my dad is 6'3" and my YOUNGER sister is 6'2". I feel short whenever I'm home. Pretty much only then, though.

I could totally cosplay Bessa if my hair were blonde... hmmm. Fun thought Smile

Shinjinarenai's picture

Postulant

I am also 5'9", my mom is 6', my dad is 6', my younger sister is 5'10", and my younger brother is 6'4". I feel short at home, too, but in the real world, I feel a little taller.

Height twins!

Clare-Dragonfly's picture

Supplicant

I'm 5' even. 5'3" isn't tall to me, but it definitely isn't short, either.

VlWbug's picture

Average American modern day women is only 5'4 average man is 5'9 which means she is very, very tall.

Andrea's picture

Supplicant

I think that (in the USA at least) the average height for a woman is 5'4"-5'6". Like, if you're 5'6", you're on the tall side of average, etc.

Gingerninja's picture

To my 5 nuthin' she is a giant...

RandomScientist's picture

Petitioner

Another thing to keep in mind is that height is relative to time period. Historically, people were generally shorter than they are today, probably as a result of less complete childhood nutrition. So since the story's setting meant to resemble a historical period, maybe we should expect people to be shorter, on average, than modern standards.
Perhaps in her society, Bessa's 5'9 is quite tall for a woman. "Tall" is all about what you're comparing to.

fairnymph's picture

Embodiment

Her arms are MUSCULAR! I like her hair a lot, though.

NorthwoodsMan's picture

Embodiment

Well, this it out of nowhere. Not even teaser head shot..

I agree, TB. Had her pictured as a tad slighter...

But damn, she looks just like I girl I used to work with...

Zandu Ink's picture

Embodiment

But I keep seeing Anda as the heavier one and Bessa as the thinner one. I know you describe them well enough. It's just me.

In all fairness, they look exactly as I picture them, even if the names are backwards (in my mind).

Raigne's picture

Embodiment

Anda is the heavier one. I am guessing you meant you keep seeing Bessa as the heavier one? In which case so do I. Bessa sounds like a name for a cow, and cows are bulky animals. Horrible way to picture someone so lovely, but that's where my head space is when I see the name.

Zandu Ink's picture

Embodiment

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Yes, I meant what you think I meant. I see Bessa as the heavier one and Anda as the thinner. Now that you mention it, the whole "Bessa sounds like a cow's name" thing is why. Not that either looks like one, mind you. Just that the name sounds that way.

Andrea's picture

Supplicant

Maybe it'll be easier to associate the names with the right body types if you associate Anda with panda? (I'd rather be associated with a panda than with a cow.)

manoki's picture

Supplicant

I like Anda the panda. Smile

NorthwoodsMan's picture

Embodiment

If it helps, think if it in terms of a healthy women’s body image. Bessa ≠ Bessie

Clare-Dragonfly's picture

Supplicant

That's the way I think of it too. Isn't it awful? I'm so glad I'm not the only one!

Davik's picture

Embodiment

She's a beautiful girl, and at 5'9" fairly tall. At 5'7" I've dated girls who were as tall as 5'11" and had a thing for 3 inch heels, so I'm kinda used to that. I would say that she reminds me of one of my ex's, but the facial structure is all wrong, but still beautiful. I know if I was a guy in that period I would have a serious thing for her Smile

Amy's picture

Supplicant

She's very cute IMO.

6' and above is universally tall for any gender. But the norm for women is a lot less than that. Time periods do have a lot to say about height not only due to childhood nutrition but to nutrition before & during pregnancy. And at barely 5'2" she would tower over me. Nothing new, my son's girlfriend is almost 6'2". making her almost 2" taller than my son.
I too thought she would be a bit thinner & less endowed, but I guess when compared to Anda she's a rail.

But still Me like.

Eleonora's picture

Devotee

That's about my height, and in the Netherlands, that's average height. Maybe a bit on the tall side of average, but still, average. So, not only are there historical differences, there are also geographical differences Wink

Amy's picture

Supplicant

I had forgotten geographical applications when it comes to height.

Basically, Really hot dry areas usually call for taller thinner body types to help extra heat escape.
The colder a climate the shorter & thicker the body will tend to develop. To better conserve warmth.
Warm but very wet forest like regions tend to produce short but thin people. A way of preventing extra heat from clinging to the body along with the moisture.
(if I remember rightly that is)

All of this is pre-supposing that there are no significant transposing & interbreeding of cultures, thus allowing people to develop as climate of their geographical location deems best for survival.

Andrea's picture

Supplicant

She's got a broader skeletal structure than I expected, but she's still skinny. Like, she doesn't have any extra meat or fat on her frame, but her frame itself is larger, probably just in proportion to her height (and something about the pic definitely says "tall" to me). Also, Bessa-in-my-head had slightly wavy medium-to-darkish blonde hair, but I really love the way she turned out here, especially how she's plain from a distance but lovely when you get a closer look.

ETA: If you don't think she's skinny, look at how thin her calves are in proportion to how tall she is! Her feet and hands are pretty bony too.

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

... that everything about her says tall and skinny in a loud, clear voice: the arms, the collar bones, the calves, the feet, the face. Mad props to Alice!

FWIW, the portrait also somehow perfectly captures the "kinda plain on first sight, but graceful and willowy when she moves" deal that seems to have been Temmin's first impression. In fact, just about the only thing that doesn't match my internal image of Bessa is that I had pictured her hair as being even lighter.

Amy's picture

Supplicant

examination, I have to concede the point she is tall & willowy.

fairnymph's picture

Embodiment

She's definitely thin - but she's not SLIGHT, or even willowy, which is what I pictured in my head.

Frog Princess's picture

Devotee

Which explains why she is seen as plain in Tremontine culture. They favor more expressely feminine body types in women. In our modern Western world she would be seen as much more attractive, considering the existing fad for tall, willowy, slightly androgynous women that models exemplify. Beaty is very cultural, had Bessa been born in our world and time, where her looks are popular, she wouldn't be so insecure.

Capriox's picture

Embodiment

Lovely! She looks so interesting. I can see sarcastic thoughts and the iron will needed to run the household on her own behind those pale eyes.

I think this is my favorite portrait by Alice so far!

MeiLin's picture

Most High

Prepare for beefcake and hilarity.

Raigne's picture

Embodiment

*bounces*

Kreyopresny's picture

Petitioner

what woman?

Well, honestly she reminds me of Laura Prepon (Donna on That 70s Show) after she died her hair blonde. Tall, thin, and her cheek bones look similar.

Amy's picture

Supplicant

A David Bowie Labyrinth reference. Love that movie, & adore that man.

kawaiikune's picture

Embodiment

are much bigger than I had pictured them. She also look surprising like someone I know in the face, although I can't put my finger on who. She just looks very familiar.

Amy's picture

Supplicant

Threw me on my first look at the pic, & made me think she wasn't really as thin as described in the stories.

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

...a bit more boobage than I'd have expected.

Her approximate facial structure is relatively common, so that may be causing the familiar feeling.

Vandole's picture

Postulant

For some reason, her face in the full body screams wrong to me. But I can't quite figure it out. It just looks unattractive to me.

applejax's picture

Supplicant

maybe it's something to do with her mouth and nose? Or how they look together? It looks weird to me too, but I really can't figure it out. And in the close up it doesn't have the same problem.

Andrea's picture

Supplicant

I think it's because in the full-body portrait, relative to her overall face size, her forehead is smaller/shorter than it would be on a more "ideal" face. (Ever notice how Barbie's cute little face has a huge forehead?) Lily Tomlin has the same thing going on, if you want a real life example. I can't find any good pictures where you can tell, but it's really obvious that her forehead is too small for her face when you see her in a movie.

kawaiikune's picture

Embodiment

really kind of freak me out. Like Alexis Bledel. When her hair covers her forehead, I think she's pretty, but otherwise...yikes! That forehead is terrifying. No one else seems to agree with me, and apparently some people really like that, but I guess it's just not my thing.

I find the face shot of Bessa to be appealing, even if I think hot is a little far. She's definitely a pretty girl. On the full body picture, her face looks a little weird to me, mostly in her left eye and the way her nostrils seem flared or something. Overall, I wouldn't kick that out of bed, though.

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

... but Ms. Bledel definitely looks better with bangs.

Andrea's picture

Supplicant

Haha! Alexis Bledel's forehead is a bit unnerving. The Barbie-forehead only works on Barbie because everything about her is exaggerated, and she's only ~12" tall.

Frog Princess's picture

Devotee

I have a big forehead. And I refuse to cover it with bangs. Big foreheads give one an aristocrathic and intelligent look. I'm actually joking here, as I'm neither offended nor that conceited. But I don't hide my forehead, which is huge.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

She is an ordinary girl.

Bessa is a dominant pretty much all the time, except with Barik; you may be seeing that in her face.

rog's picture

Petitioner

can people find that not attractive? She looks wonderful to me!

MeiLin's picture

Most High

In our world, Bessa would be a household name, a Kate Moss; she'd be celebrated and famous. In her world, she's too tall, too thin, too pale, too androgynous, and too sure of herself (except when it came to this whole beauty thing--now she's on top of that, too).

rog's picture

Petitioner

The people in her world are stupid to not see her beauty. Though I wouldn't like it if she was a household name (I don't care for woman mostly like Moss), it would dampen her appeal. It's mostly her personality that gives her a better feeling I think; but still she looks great.

Raigne's picture

Embodiment

It's the shadows. The lighting on the full figure is ambient but the nose is casting a pronounced shadow as if the light source was in front of her on the viewer's right, but if there's a source, the shading on the rest of her face is off.

I don't see anything anatomical jumping out at me, and am too lazy to pull it into photoshop and mirror it for a better look.

Amy's picture

Supplicant

Galadriel (ish) anyone?

Gudy's picture

Embodiment

... I've been thinking, too.

NorthwoodsMan's picture

Embodiment

close but a little too busty...

Amy's picture

Supplicant

Why I used the (ish) little to busty & not quite distanced with haughty age like Galadriel.

rog's picture

Petitioner

I am, so to me Bessa is pretty tall but just two inches short where we are almost face to face. I don't mind height on a girl, but if she is around 6' or higher then yeah...awkward...

Paisleigh's picture

Devotee

. . . she looks like a co-worker of mine out here. Apparently taller but the hair and the face look quite similar in my opinion.

EDIT:.aaaand I showed my coworker- she agreed with me.

blwinteler's picture

Supplicant

my younger sister. In fact, same height, build, and hair color.
Kinda interesting. Bessa looks like my sister, and Anda looks like me.

BekaShmeka's picture

Am I the only one who thinks she sorta looks like Sissy Spacek from "Carrie?"

Not that she's not pretty ... but *cocks head to the side* yeah, the resemblance is there, at least for me.

MeiLin's picture

Most High

well done, you! Sissy Spacek was a photo reference.

BekaShmeka's picture

Sissy Spacek, or the character Carrie.

I hope you say Spacek cuz Carrie is scarier than flaming flying monkey shit.

*mumbles* I read to much Dresden. Damnit.

XD

MeiLin's picture

Most High

but the photo references I sent were all from that period of her life. You don't really see it in "Carrie," much, but she was a stunningly beautiful young woman. She's even prettier now, I think.

BekaShmeka's picture

Sissy is one of those people that get better as they get older.

like ... hugh grant or annette benning. XD

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