Here is Bessa in her chemise. I wish there were a way to show how tall she is. Bessa is aaround 5'9".
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 10:13pm
haha... "tall" at 5'9".
I had expected perhaps a little skinnier...but I like it alot.
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 10:19pm
Are you saying that's not tall? 'Cause to my 5'5", 5'9" is...well, tall.
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 10:20pm
To my 5'3" she's almost a giant.
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 10:23pm
from 6'3", a 5'9" is...meh.
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 10:32pm
We're talking about a 5'9" woman, not a man. Average height for a woman is about 5'6".
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 10:39pm
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 10:42pm
One of the more important women in your life is taller does not mean 5'9" doesn't qualify as tall. How narrow minded of you, TB
ETA: Although I suppose I see why you think that. Not really a univeral definition for tall. Whereas I am universally accepted to be short. :x
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 10:44pm
I think that a woman who's 6' tall is pretty much universally tall.
I spend much of my time being tall, (b) around tall people (most recent rack of roommates are 5'10"+, all four of us), and otherwise (c) exposed to the tallness.
5'9" isn't "short," but it's close enough to my perception of "average" that I don't think of 5'9" as "tall."
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 11:09pm
I'm 5'9". My mom is 6', my dad is 6'3" and my YOUNGER sister is 6'2". I feel short whenever I'm home. Pretty much only then, though.
I could totally cosplay Bessa if my hair were blonde... hmmm. Fun thought
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 8:09am
I am also 5'9", my mom is 6', my dad is 6', my younger sister is 5'10", and my younger brother is 6'4". I feel short at home, too, but in the real world, I feel a little taller.
Sat, 06/27/2009 - 11:19am
I'm 5' even. 5'3" isn't tall to me, but it definitely isn't short, either.
Sun, 04/01/2012 - 1:04pm
Average American modern day women is only 5'4 average man is 5'9 which means she is very, very tall.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 12:22am
I think that (in the USA at least) the average height for a woman is 5'4"-5'6". Like, if you're 5'6", you're on the tall side of average, etc.
Gingerninja (not verified)
Wed, 12/15/2010 - 9:19pm
To my 5 nuthin' she is a giant...
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 11:08pm
Another thing to keep in mind is that height is relative to time period. Historically, people were generally shorter than they are today, probably as a result of less complete childhood nutrition. So since the story's setting meant to resemble a historical period, maybe we should expect people to be shorter, on average, than modern standards.
Perhaps in her society, Bessa's 5'9 is quite tall for a woman. "Tall" is all about what you're comparing to.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 2:51am
Her arms are MUSCULAR! I like her hair a lot, though.
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 10:17pm
Well, this it out of nowhere. Not even teaser head shot..
I agree, TB. Had her pictured as a tad slighter...
But damn, she looks just like I girl I used to work with...
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 10:24pm
But I keep seeing Anda as the heavier one and Bessa as the thinner one. I know you describe them well enough. It's just me.
In all fairness, they look exactly as I picture them, even if the names are backwards (in my mind).
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 10:34pm
Anda is the heavier one. I am guessing you meant you keep seeing Bessa as the heavier one? In which case so do I. Bessa sounds like a name for a cow, and cows are bulky animals. Horrible way to picture someone so lovely, but that's where my head space is when I see the name.
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 10:40pm
Yes, I meant what you think I meant. I see Bessa as the heavier one and Anda as the thinner. Now that you mention it, the whole "Bessa sounds like a cow's name" thing is why. Not that either looks like one, mind you. Just that the name sounds that way.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 12:05am
Maybe it'll be easier to associate the names with the right body types if you associate Anda with panda? (I'd rather be associated with a panda than with a cow.)
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 6:54am
I like Anda the panda.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 7:31am
If it helps, think if it in terms of a healthy women’s body image. Bessa ≠ Bessie
Sat, 06/27/2009 - 11:20am
That's the way I think of it too. Isn't it awful? I'm so glad I'm not the only one!
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 11:07pm
She's a beautiful girl, and at 5'9" fairly tall. At 5'7" I've dated girls who were as tall as 5'11" and had a thing for 3 inch heels, so I'm kinda used to that. I would say that she reminds me of one of my ex's, but the facial structure is all wrong, but still beautiful. I know if I was a guy in that period I would have a serious thing for her
Wed, 06/24/2009 - 11:54pm
She's very cute IMO.
6' and above is universally tall for any gender. But the norm for women is a lot less than that. Time periods do have a lot to say about height not only due to childhood nutrition but to nutrition before & during pregnancy. And at barely 5'2" she would tower over me. Nothing new, my son's girlfriend is almost 6'2". making her almost 2" taller than my son.
I too thought she would be a bit thinner & less endowed, but I guess when compared to Anda she's a rail.
But still Me like.
That's about my height, and in the Netherlands, that's average height. Maybe a bit on the tall side of average, but still, average. So, not only are there historical differences, there are also geographical differences
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 12:38am
I had forgotten geographical applications when it comes to height.
Basically, Really hot dry areas usually call for taller thinner body types to help extra heat escape.
The colder a climate the shorter & thicker the body will tend to develop. To better conserve warmth.
Warm but very wet forest like regions tend to produce short but thin people. A way of preventing extra heat from clinging to the body along with the moisture.
(if I remember rightly that is)
All of this is pre-supposing that there are no significant transposing & interbreeding of cultures, thus allowing people to develop as climate of their geographical location deems best for survival.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 12:25am
She's got a broader skeletal structure than I expected, but she's still skinny. Like, she doesn't have any extra meat or fat on her frame, but her frame itself is larger, probably just in proportion to her height (and something about the pic definitely says "tall" to me). Also, Bessa-in-my-head had slightly wavy medium-to-darkish blonde hair, but I really love the way she turned out here, especially how she's plain from a distance but lovely when you get a closer look.
ETA: If you don't think she's skinny, look at how thin her calves are in proportion to how tall she is! Her feet and hands are pretty bony too.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 1:17am
... that everything about her says tall and skinny in a loud, clear voice: the arms, the collar bones, the calves, the feet, the face. Mad props to Alice!
FWIW, the portrait also somehow perfectly captures the "kinda plain on first sight, but graceful and willowy when she moves" deal that seems to have been Temmin's first impression. In fact, just about the only thing that doesn't match my internal image of Bessa is that I had pictured her hair as being even lighter.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 1:51am
examination, I have to concede the point she is tall & willowy.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 2:53am
She's definitely thin - but she's not SLIGHT, or even willowy, which is what I pictured in my head.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 3:27am
Which explains why she is seen as plain in Tremontine culture. They favor more expressely feminine body types in women. In our modern Western world she would be seen as much more attractive, considering the existing fad for tall, willowy, slightly androgynous women that models exemplify. Beaty is very cultural, had Bessa been born in our world and time, where her looks are popular, she wouldn't be so insecure.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 5:28am
Lovely! She looks so interesting. I can see sarcastic thoughts and the iron will needed to run the household on her own behind those pale eyes.
I think this is my favorite portrait by Alice so far!
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 9:09am
Prepare for beefcake and hilarity.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 9:15am
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 10:24am
Well, honestly she reminds me of Laura Prepon (Donna on That 70s Show) after she died her hair blonde. Tall, thin, and her cheek bones look similar.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 2:59pm
A David Bowie Labyrinth reference. Love that movie, & adore that man.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 10:34am
are much bigger than I had pictured them. She also look surprising like someone I know in the face, although I can't put my finger on who. She just looks very familiar.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 3:01pm
Threw me on my first look at the pic, & made me think she wasn't really as thin as described in the stories.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 3:16pm
...a bit more boobage than I'd have expected.
Her approximate facial structure is relatively common, so that may be causing the familiar feeling.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 6:43pm
For some reason, her face in the full body screams wrong to me. But I can't quite figure it out. It just looks unattractive to me.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 7:53pm
maybe it's something to do with her mouth and nose? Or how they look together? It looks weird to me too, but I really can't figure it out. And in the close up it doesn't have the same problem.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 10:39pm
I think it's because in the full-body portrait, relative to her overall face size, her forehead is smaller/shorter than it would be on a more "ideal" face. (Ever notice how Barbie's cute little face has a huge forehead?) Lily Tomlin has the same thing going on, if you want a real life example. I can't find any good pictures where you can tell, but it's really obvious that her forehead is too small for her face when you see her in a movie.
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 1:56pm
really kind of freak me out. Like Alexis Bledel. When her hair covers her forehead, I think she's pretty, but otherwise...yikes! That forehead is terrifying. No one else seems to agree with me, and apparently some people really like that, but I guess it's just not my thing.
I find the face shot of Bessa to be appealing, even if I think hot is a little far. She's definitely a pretty girl. On the full body picture, her face looks a little weird to me, mostly in her left eye and the way her nostrils seem flared or something. Overall, I wouldn't kick that out of bed, though.
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 2:06pm
... but Ms. Bledel definitely looks better with bangs.
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 6:04pm
Haha! Alexis Bledel's forehead is a bit unnerving. The Barbie-forehead only works on Barbie because everything about her is exaggerated, and she's only ~12" tall.
Sat, 06/27/2009 - 8:16am
I have a big forehead. And I refuse to cover it with bangs. Big foreheads give one an aristocrathic and intelligent look. I'm actually joking here, as I'm neither offended nor that conceited. But I don't hide my forehead, which is huge.
Thu, 06/25/2009 - 9:36pm
She is an ordinary girl.
Bessa is a dominant pretty much all the time, except with Barik; you may be seeing that in her face.
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 10:02am
can people find that not attractive? She looks wonderful to me!
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 10:53am
In our world, Bessa would be a household name, a Kate Moss; she'd be celebrated and famous. In her world, she's too tall, too thin, too pale, too androgynous, and too sure of herself (except when it came to this whole beauty thing--now she's on top of that, too).
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 11:17am
The people in her world are stupid to not see her beauty. Though I wouldn't like it if she was a household name (I don't care for woman mostly like Moss), it would dampen her appeal. It's mostly her personality that gives her a better feeling I think; but still she looks great.
It's the shadows. The lighting on the full figure is ambient but the nose is casting a pronounced shadow as if the light source was in front of her on the viewer's right, but if there's a source, the shading on the rest of her face is off.
I don't see anything anatomical jumping out at me, and am too lazy to pull it into photoshop and mirror it for a better look.
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 12:01am
Galadriel (ish) anyone?
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 1:43am
... I've been thinking, too.
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 6:31am
close but a little too busty...
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 3:07pm
Why I used the (ish) little to busty & not quite distanced with haughty age like Galadriel.
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 10:08am
I am, so to me Bessa is pretty tall but just two inches short where we are almost face to face. I don't mind height on a girl, but if she is around 6' or higher then yeah...awkward...
Sun, 06/28/2009 - 2:01pm
. . . she looks like a co-worker of mine out here. Apparently taller but the hair and the face look quite similar in my opinion.
EDIT:.aaaand I showed my coworker- she agreed with me.
Tue, 07/07/2009 - 11:46pm
my younger sister. In fact, same height, build, and hair color.
Kinda interesting. Bessa looks like my sister, and Anda looks like me.
BekaShmeka (not verified)
Tue, 07/14/2009 - 7:21am
Am I the only one who thinks she sorta looks like Sissy Spacek from "Carrie?"
Not that she's not pretty ... but *cocks head to the side* yeah, the resemblance is there, at least for me.
Tue, 07/14/2009 - 12:27pm
well done, you! Sissy Spacek was a photo reference.
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 1:22pm
Sissy Spacek, or the character Carrie.
I hope you say Spacek cuz Carrie is scarier than flaming flying monkey shit.
*mumbles* I read to much Dresden. Damnit.
Thu, 07/23/2009 - 1:35pm
but the photo references I sent were all from that period of her life. You don't really see it in "Carrie," much, but she was a stunningly beautiful young woman. She's even prettier now, I think.
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 7:36am
Sissy is one of those people that get better as they get older.
like ... hugh grant or annette benning. XD