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Ansella rested against her lover’s knee, the dark green linen of the robe covering it smooth beneath her cheek. The day was warm, and the shade of the oak tree under which they sat was welcome. Ibbit’s voice murmured in a stream that slipped in and out of the bird song and breeze around them, loose and flowing. Her eyes were heavy, and she closed them, not sleeping, only floating.
“Is there anything I need to explain about today’s lesson?” finished Ibbit, stroking Ansella’s golden head.
“Hm?” said Ansella. The lesson. It had been something about Venna’s brothers, the treacherous rapist Eddin, the violent rapist Farr, and the lecherous rapist Nerr. At least she thought that’s what it was about. She never really listened to lessons or sermons anyway; she preferred service and offerings. But it was so warm and pleasant under the tree. Ansella didn’t pay much attention to the words, bobbing gently up and down on the rhythmic cadence of Ibbit’s strong, sure voice instead, a voice that eased her doubts about Ibbit’s interpretation of scripture. “No, Sister,” Ansella sighed in contentment. “I understand.”
“You understand enough, darling,” smiled Ibbit. She stood up from the bench surrounding the tree and reached down to Ansella on the ground. “Come. Walk with me.” She took Ansella’s arm and tucked it firmly in her own, leading her down the dappled paths away from the great house. “You’ve come so far in your understanding, Ansella. I’m very proud of you,” said Ibbit.
Ansella turned a face open with pleasure up to her taller companion. “Really? I sometimes wonder if I fully grasp what you’re telling me.”
Ibbit surreptitiously looked around them. They were standing in the orchard, the low branches of the pear trees shielding them from sight. “Annie, don’t worry about that,” she murmured. Ansella felt Ibbit’s strong arms encircle her, healer’s hands working at her nape until she loosened and opened completely.
Before Ibbit had come to Whithorse, she has been so tight, so closed against the world. Now, it was as if the world moved through Ibbit into her, relaxing every inch of her, disconnecting her joints, turning her thoughts soft and malleable. She pressed her cheek against Ibbit’s shoulder; sometimes it was as if they were made to fit together, she thought. Ansella closed her eyes as Ibbit gripped her chin and kissed her, urging her mouth open and capturing her tongue.
A pleasant thrill of fear always split her open from the top of her head to her core when Ibbit bit her tongue. Ibbit’s teeth were sharp and had broken skin before. It wasn’t always this; sometimes Ibbit would hold her by the neck, as if the bigger woman were assessing the best way to break it. Knowing Ibbit could hurt her, but that she chose not to, made Ansella’s knees buckle, unable to hold her own weight any more.
Ibbit let go of her tongue, pressing her against the nearest tree. “Let me decide how well you’re doing. Let me take care of you. Let me hold you up. It’s all I’ve ever wanted, to teach you, and take care of you, my sweet, beautiful girl. Don’t move. Be still, now.”
Ansella kept her eyes closed. She slumped against the tree, her limp hands trying to hold herself up, breath struggling against her lethargy, but then, Ibbit wanted her to stay still--stay still as Ibbit pinned her against the tree, stay still as Ibbit opened her bodice, stay still as the sharp teeth left little strawberry marks along the skin at the top of her corset, stay still as Ibbit’s hands and head pushed her skirts up, as the sharp teeth pulled at her lips, and then as they worked at her clit, Ibbit’s tongue circling all around everywhere the sharp teeth had been, erasing their traces only to have them mark her again, and again. She stayed still, very still, until she couldn’t any more.
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Heyla Wow, Ibbit sure is a
Heyla
Wow, Ibbit sure is a bite-y li'l thang. -g- Unfortunately and it is more likely my preconceived impression more than anything else, she feels more domineering than dominant.
-r
Control...
is definitely the vibe I got from that.
ETA: It also makes me sad that despite the fact that Ibbit tried to kill her and the baby, Ansella will probably still be heart broken if Harsin catches her.
Also... pronouns piss me off sometimes.
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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Biting isn't the point
It's letting Ansella know that Ibbit could hurt her if she chose to. Ansella isn't a masochist, and Ibbit isn't a sadist in the physical sense. This is a power exchange relationship, even if it's woefully weighted toward Ibbit.
I can't help but wonder...
I can't help but wonder how upset we readers would be if we had heard this story BEFORE knowing about Ibbit's treachery. How much of our view of this story is coloured by what we already know?
If I had read it
before the queen's illness, I probably wouldn't feel as strongly, sure. But it would have had to have been way back in the first book for me to not have had any negative reaction at all.
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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I'd still be waving a teeny
I'd still be waving a teeny red flag, to be honest. Even knowing nothing about Ansella or Ibbit, if I knew anything at all about the Gods, I'd smell a rat. Actually, even if I didn't know about the Gods, it smells of "all men are rapists," so I'm still on unhappy grounds.
Knowing what we do, though...that makes it all ten times worse.
It's really strange, but the
It's really strange, but the more I read about Ibbit, the more I dislike her.... I mean, characters like Harsin atleast have some redeeming features... Ibbit is just too much. And Connin is heading in the same direction...
Ibbit/Harsin
I dislike ibbit for the same reasons I dislike Harsin, they both manipulate her and turn her submissive/masochistic tendacies against her. It is quite easy to see how 'Anni' fell for her in the same way she fell for Harsin but without(at least Ansella's point of view) all the conflicted feelings. And I expected to feel sorry for Ibbit, I felt sorry for her in the story we got about just before she came to Whithorse, and I'vbe felt angry at all the hate heaped on her(prior the poisioning) seemed to me like it had more than a hint of lesbian-bashing. But now I am not liking her at all as she has shown her true colors.
Not necessarily
Wow! Sarcasm! That's original!
I'm with V
I hated her because she was a manipulative asshole who mistreated her partner.
I also thought it was a good highlight to demonstrate that yes, abuse is possible in lesbian relationships (not that that was what Mei was going for, but I often hear a romanticized idea that lesbians don't have abuse or rape issues because there are two women involved, which is simply not true.)
I know too many relationships that turned out that way
Abuse happens no matter the gender of the partners. I've heard of m/m abuse situations and f/f abuse situations in addition to the m/f ones. In fact, there's a whole initiative locally helping lesbians in abusive partnerships. That wasn't my point with Ibbit, but it's a good one.
Agreed.
I really think that the way these things seem to leak through speaks to the strength of your writing. You're very clearly writing people, not caricatures or representations of groups or ideas, and thus your people are believable.
I haven't yet gotten the feeling that you've a vendetta against any sort of person, as much as I may harbor dislike for some of your characters
. *coughcoughharsinyoubastardcoughcough*
I don't agree
The dislike of Ibbit came from many directions, none of them lesbian-bashing
a) it was clear from the start of the story that while Ansella might be in love, Ibbit was using her
b) spiritual mentor having sex with student? Major bad hoodoo
c) heretical, hatefull teachings with an agenda (I'm not personally against heretical teachings, per se, hatefull is the key word there)
I actually knew a woman who was so badly abused (repeatedly raped as a child by father and drunken friends at his parties) that she was incapable of seeing men as anything but rapists to be avoided--incapable, in fact, of having a relationship of any kind with a man, even benign friendship. Being a lesbian was her only hope for intimacy.
So I can understand how people can be bent by circumstance and experience to hate one gender to the degree that Ibbit does, but Ibbit has taken it to a sociopathic level. It was obvious that Ibbit was concerned not with Ansella's happiness but with the influence she might gain from the connection. Which, like Sedra, puzzles me a bit--how much influence could a Queen in Tremont have? What did Ibbit REALLY want? Perhaps it shall be revealed...or it was already and I didn't get it, also a possibility.
Heterosexuality is not normal, it's just common. --Dorothy Parker
If Ibbit in incapable of having even a benign friendship
with anyone male, the queen would be the only one she could influence comfortably. She would never approach Temmin or the king, and abusing the teacher/student role would be a scandal if it were with one of the princesses. Plus, I would bet Ibbit saw something in the queen she felt she could manipulate. Elly's too preoccupied with boys and Sedra's far too rational.
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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you dope!
"Knowing Ibbit could hurt her, but that she chose not to, made Ansella’s knees buckle"
If THAT is her kink, Harsin could most definitely inflict pain if he chose to!!
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Ibbit's advantage over
Ibbit's advantage over Harsin: she's not the stereotyped philandering male. In fact, she's very loyal to Ansella (and manages in the end to make Ansella feel like the *queen* betrayed *her* instead of the reality), albeit not exactly the way Ansella thinks she is. She also reassures Ansella that the queen's prejudice against powerful men is correct (and then some!) and therefore doesn't need uncomfortable examining.
If Ansella were to decide between them purely on sexy fun time, it would probably be a lot closer to a toss-up. Too bad sexy fun always involves those much more complicated "relationship" issues
Supreme Minister of All Livestock
"Use, do not abuse. Neither abstinence nor excess renders man happy." - Voltaire
heh
all this is true. It just struck me as...inconsistent? Silly? I dunno.
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Silly, definitely. If it
Silly, definitely. If it weren't so darn serious, Ansella's and Harsin's issues and their near-misses at love would comic. As it is, I keep wanting to hide my head in my hands and groan every time one of them does something you know is going to turn out stupid, in the long run.
Supreme Minister of All Livestock
"Use, do not abuse. Neither abstinence nor excess renders man happy." - Voltaire
So how do you ever...
... manage to read through a scene with the two of them in the same room? ;-P
Yes, their issues would be comic if they weren't that serious. And while they'll probably never share the deep, easy love of Warin and Emmae, I believe those two have the potential to be one of the happier royal couples of Tremont if they but worked a bit more towards that goal. Which only makes the whole thing more poignant.
By peeking through my fingers
By peeking through my fingers at the imminent train-wreck, of course
Supreme Minister of All Livestock
"Use, do not abuse. Neither abstinence nor excess renders man happy." - Voltaire
I do something similar. I can
I do something similar. I can watch all manner of creepiness, violence and gore but I've been known to walk away from my TV during awkward scenes and come back after they're over. The awkwardness! I just hate watching it.
I'm no end table, I'm a nightstand.
I'm exactly the same.
Although Harsin and Ansella don't feel as bad to me as other things. I hate it when people embarrass themselves and things are awkward in that way. This bothers me a lot less.
On a totally unrelated note, I think it would be really interesting to see something written from Ibbit's perspective. She weirds me out because she really lacks balance. Everything about her is strong and domineering, and I would like to see her at a weak moment, but it seems like she doesn't have any.
I don't see her as unbalanced.
Abusive people are outwardly strong and domineering because they are weak, and at some point their weakness has been used against them in the same way. Knowing exactly when it was that she was outwardly weak won't make her a sympathetic character.
The reason Harsin is different is that he obviously genuinely cares for Ansella, even if he's stubborn and self-centered. He didn't use fear of retribution to make her submit, and I bet she'd have been completely taken by him if she wasn't resentful over Jenks. You will never be able to convince me that an abusive person like Ibbit is capable of genuinely caring for anyone but themselves. You can not say you love someone when you are willing to make their life miserable for your own satisfaction.
As for the embarrassing scenes in movies... I couldn't even finish watching Meet the Fockers. I hate stories that use those kinds of situations as their only plot device. It's gimmicky. I also couldn't read the rest of the third book in The Dark Elf Trilogy... I know Drizzt prevails because there's a bazillion other books with him in them, but I don't want to read about impossible odds situations because, a.) I am emotionally invested in the character, and b.) If a character can make it out of an impossible odds situation, I don't care to read any more about them, because it's bad writing. James Bond can do it and it's entertaining. There can be only one James Bond...
ETA: As an AD&D player, I am also honor-bound to hate Drizzt with a passion because of all the idiots that are convinced that they can roll a character who's just like him and not have the DM use the god-dice to make him die horribly during the obligatory rat quest at the beginning of the game, but now I'm getting into a tangent that only other AD&D players will understand...
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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Very insightful
particularly the first two paragraphs. Have some points
Wow! Sarcasm! That's original!
My insights
about James Bond are unappreciated.
Thank you
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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Not so!
I appreciated your insights about both Bond and Drizzt!
And I agree with both, too
Yay!
We've been trying to get a 2nd edition game going here, and my best friend's boyfriend is a rabid Drizzt fan. Her father'd be DMing and I told him that he had to make Drow off limits as a playable race, or I'd roll a character that hated them.
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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Bwahaha
I love it when I'm in groups with conflicts like that. It makes things hilarious. Last big gaming session I was in was using DnD rules with a DM created world with 7 former kings royally pissed at a new empress and vowing to get revenge . . . 'course, they had to work together with their previously most hated enemies to do it
.
Embarrassment
I didn't even try to watch Meet the Fockers because I hated Meet the Parents so much. My dad walked out of that movie. I kept hoping it would redeem itself--if the main character had been right even once, it might have! But it didn't. It was just stupid. Gah, I hated that movie.
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I made it all the way through
Meet the Parents. I didn't really like it, but it wasn't the worst movie I'd ever seen. Part of it too, is that I'm just not a fan of Ben Stiller.
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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Me neither
Actually, when we went to see Star Trek there was a trailer for some movie that looked interesting at first, and then Ben Stiller showed up on screen and I said "Never mind." Though to be fair I would have done the same thing with the Will Ferrell movie if he hadn't been on-screen from the beginning.
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Now him...
He doesn't bother me as much, but it really depends on the movie. I liked him in Bewitched, for example. Anchorman, not so much.
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
I understand about Drizzt. In
I understand about Drizzt. In the LARP I go to, we had a whole big huge problem with "surface Drow", as they ended up being called. The matriarch in power now makes sure that they are quickly killed. = P I mean, didn't the books make a huge point about him maybe not being the only one who felt the way he did, but the ONLY one who made it out of the ground?
They did, but...
The PC games keep having sympathetic Drow characters in them. Viconia in Baldur's gate. Her whole house is supposed to have been destroyed. I don't remember if that's in book one of Dark Elf or if it happened before the book began. She's still supposed to be neutral evil, and a worshipper of Shar, but you could have her in a good aligned party without too many repercussions, as long as you didn't also take the Inquisitor NPC.
There's another one in the second Neverwinter Nights expansions pack. Again, Lawful Evil, but she's a follower of Eilistraee... they only made her Lawful Evil so she could be an assassin.
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Yeah, there was a house
Yeah, there was a house completely destroyed while Drizzt watched. One house had attacked another, but left three of the noble family alive--I know one of them was female. So the rest of town got together to destroy these unsavory types. = P I got the feeling that the scene was for demonstration of something that happened continuously anyhow, though. Either way, maybe I should read again to make sure that the woman was unnamed. ^^ *has exhausted summer reading list already*
House DeVir
is the house that House Do'Urden attacked. There's at least a chapter dedicated to it and it wasn't just to demonstrate the typical infighting between houses, it was also to show that Zaknafein has a dark side, and that Matron Malice is ruthless.
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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Oh, I know!
I will get up and get on the computer during an uncomfortable scene, so I only have to watch it out of the corner of my eye.
Life... is like a grapefruit. It's orange and squishy, and has a few pips in it, and some folks have half a one for breakfast.
I HATE EMBARRASSMENT HUMOR
I always leave the room. I can't stand it.
Hallelujah! Amen. This is a
Hallelujah! Amen.
This is a large part of the reason that, in addition to 99% of popular movies, I also do not watch sitcoms, reality shows, and almost anything else on TV except Mythbusters & Doctor Who. It's either embarrassment humor (DO NOT WANT) or it's insulting to my intelligence (pisses me off).
Supreme Minister of All Livestock
"Use, do not abuse. Neither abstinence nor excess renders man happy." - Voltaire
3rded
I can't say I have quite that strong a reaction to embarrassment humor, but I'm definitely a non-fan. The intelligence-insulting bit I just take as a sad commentary on society, the lowest common denominator, and freakin Hollywood.
Yes, it makes me cranky.
Wow! Sarcasm! That's original!
reality TV
I *do* watch reality TV, because they signed up for it. They knew what was coming. I don't like Survivor, but I love Hell's Kitchen, Dancing with the Stars, Wipeout (SO MUCH LOVE for Wipeout, but then I love MXC/Takeshi's Castle).
My guilty pleasure
is reality TV. I'm waiting for Big Brother to start up, which is the guiltiest pleasure of them all...
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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Oh my goodness, I HATE that
Oh my goodness, I HATE that stuff. It's all soap opera and the kind of overly insecure, hyper-drama, social angst that I have done my best to escape since I turned 18. Makes me want to throw-up, or go beat the people involved over the head until they realize there's better ways to handle emotions and relationships and *certainly* something better they could be doing with their time.
Don't worry, Raigne, I still think you're made of awesome. Just not your preferred indulgence
Supreme Minister of All Livestock
"Use, do not abuse. Neither abstinence nor excess renders man happy." - Voltaire
Something better than...
Possibly earning $500,000 for making an ass of yourself on live television for three months?
I dislike being involved in drama, I think the people who get caught up in it are immature, but I still find it entertaining to watch. Better stuff I could be doing with my time? Probably.
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
I don't like the relationship ones
...Big Brother, Survivor, the Bachelor/ette. bleh. No disrespect to those who do, just not my cuppa.
I like Extreme Makeover Home Edition. I can't help it. But otherwise, I like the real skill-based ones like Hell's Kitchen and Dancing w/Stars, or the job-based ones. Don't like Idol, couldn't tell you why. I like House Hunters because I like real estate (runs in the family), and I like to guess which place they picked. Loved Ground Force when it was on.
And Wipeout's just hella funny.
I love
Extreme makeover home edition. I always cry at the end, which is very much not like me.
Idol I dislike because I don't think most of the people are particularly good singers. They have pretty voices, and they mimic the pop stars they like well, but that doesn't make you a good singer. I also dislike the panelists. I feel like only one of them knows what the hell he's talking about, and even then only half the time.
But I have to admit that I'm heavily biased because I used to sing, and I've had voice lessons. There's more to it than sounding pretty and being able to carry a tune.
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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me too
Once upon a time I was quite good. Sir tells me I'm finally getting my voice back; we think it was a combination of cardiac drugs and intubations that ruined it for a few years. I could barely croak. Yeah, you put your finger on it.
My choir teacher
tried to get me to audition for the music camp they have every summer at the Eastman School of Music, but I wasn't interested in pursuing it as anything more than a hobby. I've thought about auditioning for a choral group in the area, but I lack the motivation.
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Pretty tunes for the win
Keep your Robert Davenport, if you want, but I'm gonna go watch Shakespeare
(seriously--I know where you're coming from, I just love to disagree)
Wow! Sarcasm! That's original!
I honestly do not believe
that most of the people on Idol are in it because they love it and want to bring joy to everyone who wants to hear them. They want the money and the fame, or they wouldn't be pursuing TV as their debut into the music industry.
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
It's a question of scale
You're probably correct, but the money and fame are enabled by bringing joy to economically significant numbers of people. Still--money and fame will better earn a title called "American Idol" than a singer who just really really loves to sing.
Wow! Sarcasm! That's original!
House hunters!
I looove House Hunters, especially international. I am almost always right when I guess (and I'm only wrong when they make bad choices
)
Life... is like a grapefruit. It's orange and squishy, and has a few pips in it, and some folks have half a one for breakfast.
So....I heart you. Just
So....I heart you.
Just thought I would tell you this. I don't watch alot of TV and when I do, I've usually bought the whole series and can watch sans commercials, or online.
I dont watch any reality TV (Thought Idol would be on whilst studying...so I would hear it). Or any of that stuff....too much drama...and I've also been moving my damndest away from all that stuff since HS.
Yay for Dr. Who!!
"There is an art, a knack for flying. This knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss!"--DNA
*blush* I agree, if I really
*blush* I agree, if I really like it enough, I'll watch online (Mythbusters) or buy the DVDs (Doctor Who).
And there's a lot of us Whoians kicking around here, just so you know. In fact, if I recall correctly, the Doctor was one of several sources of inspiration for the Teacher. Excessively Clever Outsiders with Title Names United, donchya know
Supreme Minister of All Livestock
"Use, do not abuse. Neither abstinence nor excess renders man happy." - Voltaire
Teacher and the Doctor
Look at the bottom of this page; this is getting ridiculous.
I actually ended up really
I actually ended up really like Tool Academy. I don't like reality junk because I think it just rewards drama queens--y'know, they select the girls who can scream at people the loudest, the guys who are the most inconsiderate jerks, etc. So having them reform is great. = P
Skill-based stuff, though, is sometimes a different story. Depending on how much I buy the progression of events as not being staged.
I think...
if Ansella were looking for sexy fun time, Harsin would win hands down. She just can't get over those issues.
On the other hand, though, maybe I just think that because Ibbit is not what I'm looking for, or looking to be, at all. That makes it hard for me to see this story as sexy.
Ansella isn't a masochist
Harsin turns her on for the same reason Ibbit does; they both are very, very alpha. If Ibbit really had hurt her physically during their relationship, Ansella would have left her. It wasn't Ibbit biting her or threatening to kill her that did it for Ansella. It was the knowledge that she *could*, that she was so much stronger, that hurting a sex partner and throwing her away would be of no great consequence to her, but that she valued Ansella enough *not* to hurt her--Ansella was special. She would not be thrown away; she would be a cherished possesion.
Man, I can't stand Ibbit, and
Man, I can't stand Ibbit, and no amount of knowing better has made the difference. She's exactly what she hates in dudes, and while she's got issues because she's a rape-baby, I still expect her to have a conscience, at least now and then. I can't see her as tragic, even though there's a case for that, because she's just such. a. bitch.
I adored this.
One of the best updates in months, this. Brava, MLM! The imagery here really comes to life, and I love the character insights.
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Lesbians in the story
One of the biggest problems I have in the Ibbit/Ansella relationship is that it's the most prominent lesbian relationship in the book right now. Believe me when I say I don't think lesbians are evil, and I don't hold the Tremontine attitude toward lesbianism (that it's an immature fixation on one's mother). It just happens that Ibbit is a bad guy right now (I withhold whether she remains a bad guy).
In the meantime, I have to console myself with Silsha and Bessa, which is another power relationship, but Bessa's issue isn't necessarily control or sadism; she just likes being top with women.
*note to self: bring Silsha more into the story...*
And Silsha/Bessa won't be the only prominent positive lesbian story in the book. You don't even know what's coming.
Possibly I am just a dunce...
I never got the lesbian-bashing feeling from the story or from the comments about it. I don't understand why it's okay to portray whatever faction is in power in a negative light, but it's taboo to portray a member of a minority or a subculture that's been discriminated against in a negative light. Just because a group of people has been oppressed (often violently) doesn't mean that every member of that group is happy and shiny and pure. They have their psychotics and sociopaths and criminals just like everyone else...
Also
When you put it that way, should we start a pool right now, my money'd be on Ellika.
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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I do want! As in, to read.
I do want! As in, to read.
"There is an art, a knack for flying. This knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss!"--DNA
I think minorities all being
I think minorities all being happy and shiny and pure is the "Magical Negro" trope.
I've been wandering TVtropes.com for the past while. x.x It's so addictive!
Yes. Yes it is.
I love that website. I now get to bug the shit out of my friends by discussing the plots of various media with them using trope terminology and they have no clue what I mean. "I told you to go look at the site!"
When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. -Arthur Conan Doyle
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Funny...
My mind jumped to exactly the same place.
I'm very much looking forward...
... to seeing more of Silsha (and Bessa) as well as more positive lesbian stories. The fact that I don't know what's coming does not, in any way, detract from my looking forward to it, either.
Grr
"It’s all I’ve ever wanted, to teach you"
I bet you HAVE, Ibbit. ::snarl::
Great update, Mei
Clare K. R. Miller, author of Chatoyant College
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Maybe it's simply because I'm
Maybe it's simply because I'm a mild hypnofetishist, but that story had some serious hypnosis undertones, whether intended to or not. It would have been quite hot... Had I not hated Ibbit with a burning passion. You just don't get forgiven for infanticide.
(Note: Not referring to abortion here, but to the killing of another person's baby).
well done, you
Yes, there is an element of that, but there often is in power exchange.
Teacher and the Doctor, continued from ridiculously thin comment
The Doctor is a very slight influence on Teacher. There's the obvious name similarities, and the mentoring aspects (probably the strongest influence), but that's about as far as they go. You could say, well, the Doctor doesn't have sex with anyone, either, but I don't believe that for a New York minute. Tennant acts too much with his tongue.
Teacher is much, MUCH more contained than the Doctor. In fact, I'm trying to imagine a meeting between the two, and while I think they'd respect one another, and possibly even like each other, the Doctor's manic energy and restlessness would exasperate Teacher to no end after a while. And Teacher's habit of slipping the dry, needling comment in would not go unnoticed by the Doctor.
There would also be the incompatibility of world views. Teacher is based in magic and the Gods; the Doctor is diametrically opposed, and would constantly be looking for Teacher's secret source of technology. That would drive them both bananas, and not the dacquiri kind. I can see Teacher confiscating the sonic screwdriver after one too many attempts to jigger a mirror.
I can, however, see them both in Converse.
hee! Oh man, trying to
hee! Oh man, trying to envision the Tenth Doctor and the Teacher together in your scenarios... much giggling.
"If I just reverse the polarity of the photonic residuals reflecting from this mirror..."
"Stop that at once."
"I was just.."
"Give me that!" :snatches sonic screwdriver:
*sniggers*
I didn't mean to imply that the Teacher was a direct take-off of the Doctor. Just one of many sources of influence, s'all.
Supreme Minister of All Livestock
"Use, do not abuse. Neither abstinence nor excess renders man happy." - Voltaire
oh, I knew you weren't
I just thought it was interesting to compare them, especially since I got my fiction start writing Whofic.
I think there would be much sulking on both sides.
hahahahahahahahahahaha! And
hahahahahahahahahahaha!
And such adorable pretty-boy pouts they would be, too.
Supreme Minister of All Livestock
"Use, do not abuse. Neither abstinence nor excess renders man happy." - Voltaire
*snort*
I am laughing so hard right now, bwahahaha. I absolutely adore Tennant as The Doctor and this is just hilarious.
I might have to write the whole thing out
We'll see. I'm a bit nostalgic for fanfic; I got a couple of positive reviews for some of the stuff I wrote in 10/07 and went and reread the stories. I think they still hold up fairly well, as fanfic at least.
Oh man
That would be crack-fic fantastic and awesome.
I second that!
Just catching up on this thread and I am laughing to myself at the thought of Teacher and the Doctor. It would be way too much fun!
"Humor is mankind's greatest blessing." - Mark Twain
I wouldn't miss it for the world!
That would be great!
It's good that Ibbit's such a
It's good that Ibbit's such a bitch, otherwise I might even feel sorry for her (but just a little bit). Ibbit might be in physical control, but I get the feeling that in this scene Ansella gets exactly what she wants and lets the rest just flow away from her. No sense in listening to religious fanatics anyway.
Worrying is Dreaming in the Wrong Direction - Loesje
Eeeeee!
My story! Thank you so so so much!!!
Woah. This was quite a snapshot. I had to read it removing my misgivings about Ibbit before I could get at why Ansella felt she loved Ibbit after all. Ibbit was strong and confident and professed to only want to take care of her and love her. I think it gave a good flavor for what Ansella goes for in a relationship. She wants to stay passive and yet have her needs taken care of, for surrender to be easy and pleasurable. That's why she found it so hard to reconcile the fact that she didn't want to like Harsin, yet he fulfilled her sexual desires. It was so hard to open up to him, but if she had been able to, he would have made their sexual journey exactly what she seems to crave. This is classic, lol. She wants more control over her own destiny everywhere but in the bedroom itself, where she would rather things just happen to her!
I feel so bad for the characters. It's easy for us to say, "You should just ___!" But if you're the on in that position trying to go against your biases and your feelings, it's so much harder!
Control is probably the whole
Control is probably the whole issue. Ansella is the queen after all, and when push comes to shove she can, as Sedra said, put her foot down and lay the law down for Ibbit. She doesn't have that kind of control over Harsin, so she can't give him the control she gave to Ibbit.
Worrying is Dreaming in the Wrong Direction - Loesje
Nope...
I still don't like Ibbet. Is it just a coincidence that her name rhymes with Gibbet?? As in she needs to hang from the nearest one??
I get Ansella I just don't see Ibbet as anything other than a power hungry, man hating bit of vileness.
Anything that kills your inner-song is always going to be bad for you. - Personal Wisdom
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